Corona

[Glen]

2 minutes ago, Dead Planet said:

You could be right but the world runs on money and the negative economical impacts of the lockdowns were serious and I suspect they will not want to do it again....money is more important than life these days....

not when they are faced with 2000 deaths a day like in the UK. 

Lockdown would be imposed 💯

[Geoff]

20 hours ago, CureTheSane said:

I really don't care if people are vaxxed or not.their choice.

They're fucking stupid if they give up their livelihood for the sake of a stupid jab that should never have been mandatory, but was.

I don't think they're stupid. I have a lot more respect for them than I do for myself, having taken something I completely disagree with.

20 hours ago, CureTheSane said:

But personally I'd rather be around unvaccinated people. They are the ones who really don't wanna get covid, because they are much more likely to get sick. Do they are more careful and safer to be around.

I love this. Of all the things you've ever said, this could be my favourite. So you think people who don't get vaccinated are scared of covid? That's how you see the world? Not one part of me has been concerned about having covid from day one, and I'd bet my hairpiece that every single unvaccinated person (bar those who wanted it and couldn't take it due to a medical condition) has absolutely no fear whatsoever of catching what is now a common cold... that every single person they know has already had themselves. You're magnificent.  

I'd be wearing your face mask and gloves around your new employee, and make sure, for the love of christ, that you're up to date with your boosters! 

Come to think of it, do you think people don't get vaccinated because they're too scared to leave their house and venture into the world with all that covid in it? That must be it, right, my man?

20 hours ago, CureTheSane said:

As to what we disagree about.

That Australia is a shithole.

That vaccinations don't lessen the impact of covid.

That covid is not potentially serious illness/can kill people, particularly the vulnerable.

That anyone who disagrees with you is a sheep and a pro vaxxer

That sooking is a viable pastime.

I mean I could go on, you've said a lot of stupid shit.

Australia has a lot of good things going for it, but in this Corona thread, I can say that every single decision related to covid has been and continues to be a completely unreasonable over-reaction. 

In a statement as broad as that, I am sure vaccinations probably do lessen the impact of covid. Doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming majority of people would still be just fine without it. 

lol, keep those news bulletins running. Covid kills all. Over 99% of people, isn't it?

People have disagreed with me for decades on this very forum and the word sheep has never been uttered. When it comes to covid I have been surprised, I fully admit it, to encounter the opinions I've seen on this forum. And yes, I admit that I do not have any respect for an opinion that has been copied and pasted from the 6pm news when you can tell an individual has never even given an alternate opinion a consideration. In terms of covid, I do have an honest opinion that very few people have thought for themselves during this period. 

Sooking seems no past-time for you. I am sure your tears type your messages for you, hands free. Leave Britney alone. 

20 hours ago, CureTheSane said:

I'm not overly patriotic.

Certainly nothing like most Americans.

And I don't care if you visit my country and aren't a fan.

But it is a great country and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else, and if you're gonna tear it down and put 8t down unfairly, then imma defend it.

Just go live somewhere else, surely ANYWHERE is better for you. I hear Ukraine is nice this time of year.

As for our fucked up premier, I won't be voting for him. I never did in the first place.

He may get back in, because people are fucked and can't see the light, or whatever, but if that happens I won't be happy, but will deal and move on.

Can't change it, so just deal with it and move forward.

Sorry, you probably didn't understand that last sentence...

 

I'm putting Australia down unfairly? So you think mandatory masks and vaccines in 2023 and decreased wages for the unvaccinated is fair? Not to mention the literally hundreds of things we've all discussed over countless pages in this thread? Sorry, my mistake. All fair, all justified.  

Yes, you seem very content to accept and move along. No problems, we'll just do it all again in a few years when the next pandemic comes along. 

18 hours ago, Dead Planet said:

You could be right but the world runs on money and the negative economical impacts of the lockdowns were serious and I suspect they will not want to do it again....money is more important than life these days....

Sadly, I think, as per the replies here, 100% of people would disagree with you that there would not be lockdowns again. Lockdowns were not economically advantageous to us, but no one gives a shit about that. The pandemic was extremely beneficial to the already wealthy, and that's all that really matters, isn't it? 

And then you have idiot countries like Australia that have a majority population that would lockdown for monkeypox tomorrow if someone called for it. People were mad for them here and I have absolutely zero doubt that we'd go right back into lockdown the moment it was advised. I'm not sure if you're aware of Australia's debt situation, but google it and keep that in mind when you consider how we as a country have acted over the last three years. 

EDIT - credit where it's due, though. I do think there are more intelligent countries in the world and lockdowns would not be worldwide. Places such as Sweden, Denmark, Finland and some other countries that seem to have acknowledged the bigger picture. 

Edited September 10, 2022 by Geoff

[Glen]

4 hours ago, Geoff said:

I don't think they're stupid. I have a lot more respect for them than I do for myself, having taken something I completely disagree with.

I love this. Of all the things you've ever said, this could be my favourite. So you think people who don't get vaccinated are scared of covid? That's how you see the world? Not one part of me has been concerned about having covid from day one, and I'd bet my hairpiece that every single unvaccinated person (bar those who wanted it and couldn't take it due to a medical condition) has absolutely no fear whatsoever of catching what is now a common cold... that every single person they know has already had themselves. You're magnificent.  

I'd be wearing your face mask and gloves around your new employee, and make sure, for the love of christ, that you're up to date with your boosters! 

Come to think of it, do you think people don't get vaccinated because they're too scared to leave their house and venture into the world with all that covid in it? That must be it, right, my man?

Australia has a lot of good things going for it, but in this Corona thread, I can say that every single decision related to covid has been and continues to be a completely unreasonable over-reaction. 

In a statement as broad as that, I am sure vaccinations probably do lessen the impact of covid. Doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming majority of people would still be just fine without it. 

lol, keep those news bulletins running. Covid kills all. Over 99% of people, isn't it?

People have disagreed with me for decades on this very forum and the word sheep has never been uttered. When it comes to covid I have been surprised, I fully admit it, to encounter the opinions I've seen on this forum. And yes, I admit that I do not have any respect for an opinion that has been copied and pasted from the 6pm news when you can tell an individual has never even given an alternate opinion a consideration. In terms of covid, I do have an honest opinion that very few people have thought for themselves during this period. 

Sooking seems no past-time for you. I am sure your tears type your messages for you, hands free. Leave Britney alone. 

I'm putting Australia down unfairly? So you think mandatory masks and vaccines in 2023 and decreased wages for the unvaccinated is fair? Not to mention the literally hundreds of things we've all discussed over countless pages in this thread? Sorry, my mistake. All fair, all justified.  

Yes, you seem very content to accept and move along. No problems, we'll just do it all again in a few years when the next pandemic comes along. 

Sadly, I think, as per the replies here, 100% of people would disagree with you that there would not be lockdowns again. Lockdowns were not economically advantageous to us, but no one gives a shit about that. The pandemic was extremely beneficial to the already wealthy, and that's all that really matters, isn't it? 

And then you have idiot countries like Australia that have a majority population that would lockdown for monkeypox tomorrow if someone called for it. People were mad for them here and I have absolutely zero doubt that we'd go right back into lockdown the moment it was advised. I'm not sure if you're aware of Australia's debt situation, but google it and keep that in mind when you consider how we as a country have acted over the last three years. 

EDIT - credit where it's due, though. I do think there are more intelligent countries in the world and lockdowns would not be worldwide. Places such as Sweden, Denmark, Finland and some other countries that seem to have acknowledged the bigger picture. 

sweden, Finland & Denmark have lower populations than London.

If those countries were faced with 2000 deaths a day and no vaccine they would 💯 lockdown.

Covid is now just a normal flu strain and not in any way overly harmful (even though I've got long covid which is f annoying) so no country should have any restrictions anymore.

It pales against the original strains. 

However, if there was a new virus with no vaccine again and deaths starting stacking up, of course countries would lock down.

 

 

[AlphaMale]

2 hours ago, Glen said:

However, if there was a new virus with no vaccine again and deaths starting stacking up, of course countries would lock down.

 

 

And it's coming soon.... 

[auslander]

On 9/10/2022 at 2:15 AM, Dead Planet said:

You could be right but the world runs on money and the negative economical impacts of the lockdowns were serious and I suspect they will not want to do it again....money is more important than life these days....

The rich elites got even richer during lockdowns. You think they care that the middle classes took a hit? Hell no. The rich elites absolutely loathe the middle class.  All of their socialist pandering is designed to eliminate the middle class and go back to having a society of 99% people who own nothing and are kept in stupified bliss (useful idiots) and the 1% who own and  control everything, from the culture to information and communication and borders (there are none other than keeping the masses away from the elites). But don't worry, you will be continue to be distracted by antagonism with minorities like anti-vaxxers while you keep giving your dollars and freedoms to your betters. Just remember, they keep you safe from the spicy cough, and the Sun god. Sit back, relax and consume.

[Metal T]

5 hours ago, AlphaMale said:

And it's coming soon.... 

I'd be more worried about the 750,000 unvetted Afghan "refugees" that the dumbass Biden administration allowed to waltz right into our d@mn country - several hundred of which were on the terrorist watch list.You can't make this stuff up....the absolute freaking DISASTER this son of bitch has been....and we have 2 years left of this horror show.

[AlphaMale]

2 minutes ago, Metal T said:

I'd be more worried about the 750,000 unvetted Afghan "refugees" that the dumbass Biden administration allowed to waltz right into our d@mn country - several hundred of which were on the terrorist watch list.You can't make this stuff up....the absolute freaking DISASTER this son of bitch has been....and we have 2 years left of this horror show.

Love how they sneaked them into cities overnight on buses. 

 

[CureTheSane]

On 9/10/2022 at 8:24 PM, Geoff said:

I don't think they're stupid. I have a lot more respect for them than I do for myself, having taken something I completely disagree with.

I guess that makes you weak then?
Weak minded, weak willed? Afraid to stand up for your rights?
I actaully think you did the right thing, getting the jab, to be able to support yourself and your family.
Such an insignificant thing to go through to help protect your job, you firleds and family, and to be a part of society.

[CureTheSane]

On 9/10/2022 at 8:24 PM, Geoff said:

I love this. Of all the things you've ever said, this could be my favourite. So you think people who don't get vaccinated are scared of covid? That's how you see the world? Not one part of me has been concerned about having covid from day one, and I'd bet my hairpiece that every single unvaccinated person (bar those who wanted it and couldn't take it due to a medical condition) has absolutely no fear whatsoever of catching what is now a common cold... that every single person they know has already had themselves. You're magnificent.  

I'd be wearing your face mask and gloves around your new employee, and make sure, for the love of christ, that you're up to date with your boosters! 

Come to think of it, do you think people don't get vaccinated because they're too scared to leave their house and venture into the world with all that covid in it? That must be it, right, my man?

I never said that vaxxed people are scare dof covid.
Just like you, you silly billy, to misquote to suit your argument.
Makes sense that unvaccinated people would be cautious not to get covid because they have no protection against it, to diminish or lessen the effects.
But then I quess implying that unvaccinated people are sensible is kind of silly.

Again you decided to imply that I wear a mask and gloves and am all scared of covid.
Suits your argument again, but also incorrect.
I wasn't wearimng a mask ever in ridiculous situations such as walking my dogs etc
I have only ever worn a mask when I didn't want to get fined for not doingso.
My choice, my risk, whatever.
Thankyou for your concern with my boosters.
I have had 4 jabs, and will continue to get them as I can moving forward.

I happily had a whooping cough jab as my daughter is having a baby and that's the thing these days.
I hate that society is in a place where we are doing this, especially after looking into the child death stats over the last 100 yeats and seeing how much this is no longer a thing.
Guess what? I'm gonna know when I have a weird cough and won't see the kid, but in the end beside the point, who really give a shit about a small jab to make my daughter happy.
Just take it and move on.

As a general rule, I'd say people don't want to get vaxxed due to various reasons.
Moral stance about freedoms.
Moral stance about controlling what goes into their bodies.
Advering to conspiracy theories about what is being injected into them.
Fears of a 'new' vaccination that they think was not tested properly, even though right now, the jabs are probably the most 'tested' vaccinations ever having been given to billions of humans and had any side effects measured.
Which leads to another reason, which is the fear long term effects.
Another great reason is because some people are overly negative, love to whinge and sook about everything, seem completely unable to move on and lead happy live and love to cry and cry about everything related 

[Thomas/Coastline]

Triple vaccinated. Got the communist-dictatorship virus with a sore throat/ little fever and didn't fap for two days. All that happened. Two worst days of my life. ; )

[CureTheSane]

On 9/10/2022 at 8:24 PM, Geoff said:

1. I'm putting Australia down unfairly?

2. So you think mandatory masks and vaccines in 2023 and decreased wages for the unvaccinated is fair?

3. Not to mention the literally hundreds of things we've all discussed over countless pages in this thread?

4. Sorry, my mistake. All fair, all justified.  

5. Yes, you seem very content to accept and move along.

6. No problems, we'll just do it all again in a few years when the next pandemic comes along.

1. Yes, 100%

2. No, I completely disagree with manatory vaccinations and any persecution of people making choices for any reason. Read any of my comments here, I have never changed my stance. You keep on trying to make out that I hold completely opposite views in everything to you, but that's just for your convenience.

3. I don't know what this means.

4. OK, big of you to apologise and admit that everything you have said here is wrong.

5. Yes I am, I am a positive person, who likes to lead a happy life.

6. Probably. I think lessons have been learnt, but i also think taht there has not been significant learning and understanding. i hope I'm wrong and givernments understand the cost of overreaction.

[CureTheSane]

6 minutes ago, Thomas/Coastline said:

Triple vaccinated. Got the communist-dictatorship virus with a sore throat/ little fever and didn't fap for two days. All that happened. Two worst days of my life. ; )

Realistically, the likelihood if you had no jabs would be 5 to 7 days of no fapping.
Most people don't endure much more than this when they get covid when unvaccinated. some do, vulnerable are obviously in a more dire situation.
But 3 - 5 fap-days certainly justifies those little pricks in your arm I'd say 

[Geoff]

56 minutes ago, CureTheSane said:

I guess that makes you weak then?
Weak minded, weak willed? Afraid to stand up for your rights?
I actaully think you did the right thing, getting the jab, to be able to support yourself and your family.
Such an insignificant thing to go through to help protect your job, you firleds and family, and to be a part of society.

Probably all of those things, but at the end of the day, having a job to pay the bills (especially as my wife was unemployed at the time) was far more important to me than not getting vaccinated, combined with the fact that at the time it seemed unvaccinated people would no longer be a part of society (stamp of approval from you, I see?), and to a degree, in people minds - such as yours, obviously - they are not. 

How did my getting vaccinated protect my friends and family? I'm pretty sure I haven't had covid yet (I don't think the recent thing was covid, just a flu. Mainly because I had no throat issues, but who knows?). My wife, both my children, Mum and Dad have all had covid. So how did me getting vaccinated protect my friends and family? Do you not see why I draw conclusions about your inability to think for yourself, when you say stupid things like that? 

38 minutes ago, CureTheSane said:

I never said that vaxxed people are scare dof covid.
Just like you, you silly billy, to misquote to suit your argument.
Makes sense that unvaccinated people would be cautious not to get covid because they have no protection against it, to diminish or lessen the effects.
But then I quess implying that unvaccinated people are sensible is kind of silly.

Again you decided to imply that I wear a mask and gloves and am all scared of covid.
Suits your argument again, but also incorrect.
I wasn't wearimng a mask ever in ridiculous situations such as walking my dogs etc
I have only ever worn a mask when I didn't want to get fined for not doingso.
My choice, my risk, whatever.
Thankyou for your concern with my boosters.
I have had 4 jabs, and will continue to get them as I can moving forward.

I happily had a whooping cough jab as my daughter is having a baby and that's the thing these days.
I hate that society is in a place where we are doing this, especially after looking into the child death stats over the last 100 yeats and seeing how much this is no longer a thing.
Guess what? I'm gonna know when I have a weird cough and won't see the kid, but in the end beside the point, who really give a shit about a small jab to make my daughter happy.
Just take it and move on.

As a general rule, I'd say people don't want to get vaxxed due to various reasons.
Moral stance about freedoms.
Moral stance about controlling what goes into their bodies.
Advering to conspiracy theories about what is being injected into them.
Fears of a 'new' vaccination that they think was not tested properly, even though right now, the jabs are probably the most 'tested' vaccinations ever having been given to billions of humans and had any side effects measured.
Which leads to another reason, which is the fear long term effects.
Another great reason is because some people are overly negative, love to whinge and sook about everything, seem completely unable to move on and lead happy live and love to cry and cry about everything related 

How did I misquote you? I'll re-misquote your exact words again, I guess, and re-emphasise that I do not believe for one single second of the day that an unvaccinated person would be cautious so they don't catch covid. How can you not understand that they are not frightened of covid in any way? And what are you going to do about your new employee, as you obviously feel such a level of disdain towards the unvaccinated? 

I find it amazing you say what you say and can't understand why I say certain things about you. Why are unvaccinated people silly, in your opinion? Turn off the news for a second, if you can and thrill me with your explanation. 

Far out you can be dense some times. So in your list of why people don't want to get vaxxed, you don't think because they know they don't need to might be a good reason? That is the only, and very simple reason why I never wanted it. And it's the reason I have never had, or will ever have a flu vaccine, or any of these endless covid booster shots. That said, maybe I'll get one on my 90th birthday, when it might actually be relevant to me.

Like I've always said, I have no issue with certain people getting the covid vaccine if it seems a good idea for them, personally, but the gigantic majority of people didn't need it and would have been much better served with natural immunity. 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Geoff

[Darkstone]

16 minutes ago, CureTheSane said:

Realistically, the likelihood if you had no jabs would be 5 to 7 days of no fapping.

Now see, if the Government had of gone with that message from day one, I would've been the first in line.

[Geoff]

14 minutes ago, CureTheSane said:

Realistically, the likelihood if you had no jabs would be 5 to 7 days of no fapping.
Most people don't endure much more than this when they get covid when unvaccinated. some do, vulnerable are obviously in a more dire situation.
But 3 - 5 fap-days certainly justifies those little pricks in your arm I'd say 

My unvaccinated brother had two uncomfortable days, my unvaccinated son one and my daughter zero. Most people I've heard about, personally, unvaccinated or vaccinated, seem to have the two bad days and that's about it. 

21 minutes ago, CureTheSane said:

1. Yes, 100%

2. No, I completely disagree with manatory vaccinations and any persecution of people making choices for any reason. Read any of my comments here, I have never changed my stance. You keep on trying to make out that I hold completely opposite views in everything to you, but that's just for your convenience.

3. I don't know what this means.

4. OK, big of you to apologise and admit that everything you have said here is wrong.

5. Yes I am, I am a positive person, who likes to lead a happy life.

6. Probably. I think lessons have been learnt, but i also think taht there has not been significant learning and understanding. i hope I'm wrong and givernments understand the cost of overreaction.

Are you familiar with a contradiction? If so, read your answers to questions 1 and 2 for an example of it. 

3. No, you definitely do not. That could be your motto, in fact.  

6. Haha, I'd love to know what you think the lessons learned have been. I truly believe not one lesson has been learned, in Australia. Perhaps in other countries, but not here. 

[nyoilers]

The only time I hear about Covid these days is on this site !

Keep up the good work everyone !

[AlphaMale]

7 hours ago, nyoilers said:

The only time I hear about Covid these days is on this site !

Keep up the good work everyone !

More like this for you..... the Jackass

 

[AlphaMale]

The media:

"GET COVID AND YOU WILL DIE!!"

[auslander]

The main thing that continues to annoy me about the covid saga is that no-one will ever be held to account in government or media for the utter beat up and overeach at the start. Secondly, the hypocrisy and stupidity of the lockdown decisions that were made early, and now compare the utter disregard of covid. From closing down entire States due to a handful of positive cases to now having thousands of cases a day and no longer even reporting on it. Yet the public are like "it's all fine" when asked about the "health expert" ruled years when countless lives and businesses were ruined by unnecessary draconian laws.

[Geoff]

1 hour ago, auslander said:

The main thing that continues to annoy me about the covid saga is that no-one will ever be held to account in government or media for the utter beat up and overeach at the start. Secondly, the hypocrisy and stupidity of the lockdown decisions that were made early, and now compare the utter disregard of covid. From closing down entire States due to a handful of positive cases to now having thousands of cases a day and no longer even reporting on it. Yet the public are like "it's all fine" when asked about the "health expert" ruled years when countless lives and businesses were ruined by unnecessary draconian laws.

Yep, I know it doesn't take much to get me started, but I agree 100%. There is so much talk about perceived misinformation, but what about the actual misinformation we were all fed during the covid years? I'd love to think that in time people will be held accountable, but I don't think anyone ever will be. I seem to keep referencing him, but CTS seems to be the blueprint for how people see it. It happened, now let's move on.

That'd be fine and something I'd be on board with if someone accidentally stepped on my foot, but this was the highest calibre fuckery of our lifetimes (I hope) and it feels like it'll just be swept under the rug with zero consequence. And I speak as if it's past tense, but restrictions remain today and no part of me can comprehend how it is even possible. 

[Glen]

15 hours ago, Geoff said:

My unvaccinated brother had two uncomfortable days, my unvaccinated son one and my daughter zero. Most people I've heard about, personally, unvaccinated or vaccinated, seem to have the two bad days and that's about it. 

from Omicrom yes.

Which is now basically just flu.

Thankfully for you Australia was protected from the more deadly variants before there were any vaccines. It never properly hit your shores until vaccines had been developed and the strains had waned to nothing.

This is the point you continually miss.

Had you been in the UK which was an absolute disaster with 1000s dying a day and 1000s of people of all ages on ventilators in hospital your overarching view of this virus might be different.

(100% agree that kids under 15 were never really badly affected and should never have been vaccinated)

[Glen]

2 hours ago, auslander said:

The main thing that continues to annoy me about the covid saga is that no-one will ever be held to account in government or media for the utter beat up and overeach at the start. Secondly, the hypocrisy and stupidity of the lockdown decisions that were made early, and now compare the utter disregard of covid. From closing down entire States due to a handful of positive cases to now having thousands of cases a day and no longer even reporting on it. Yet the public are like "it's all fine" when asked about the "health expert" ruled years when countless lives and businesses were ruined by unnecessary draconian laws.

you can refer to the post above as well. 

[Geoff]

31 minutes ago, Glen said:

from Omicrom yes.

Nope, my brother was much earlier on, definitely delta. 

[Glen]

1 hour ago, Geoff said:

Nope, my brother was much earlier on, definitely delta. 

Delta was nothing. That didn't hit uk til about 1 year (around April 2021) after the pandemic started and around the same time I got vaccinated so didn't really have much impact at all.

It was more transmissible but much less virulent.

I'm talking before that - April- June 2020 - original strain & alpha, and winter 2020 - Beta.

[Geoff]

1 hour ago, Glen said:

Delta was nothing. That didn't hit uk til about 1 year (around April 2021) after the pandemic started and around the same time I got vaccinated so didn't really have much impact at all.

It was more transmissible but much less virulent.

I'm talking before that - April- June 2020 - original strain & alpha, and winter 2020 - Beta.

Haha, delta certainly wasn't nothing to you when we were discussing back in the day.

No need to retread grounds we covered with tiresome detail. 

I just find that when I hear your take on the pandemic, I don't actually know how you made it out alive. I'd expect England to be vacant land with no humans left when I hear your words. 

All I know is what I experienced first hand in Australia, and I find it strange to hear people with similar thoughts to me, from the US and UK. 

So maybe there's a middle ground being skipped over? No one's ever denied that covid wasn't great for a very clearly defined group of people, nor is anyone denying that certain measures to protect these people would have been accepted. It's the one-size-fits-all approach that is the issue.