Joe Biden America Last

[Stefan]

57 minutes ago, Glen said:

that statement was a disgrace,  but please don't lose sight of the fact that THIS WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE OUTCOME as soon as the deal was signed. 

just saying.  

True. And this was going to happen anyway, deal or not, if the troops were about to leave Afghanistan. 

Just saying. 

[heavyharmonies]

1 hour ago, Glen said:

that statement was a disgrace,  but please don't lose sight of the fact that THIS WAS ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE OUTCOME as soon as the deal was signed. 

just saying.  

Bullshit. Stop defending the indefensible.

[auslander]

2 hours ago, Leykis101 said:

Biden admin announces that there's NO Americans stranded in Afgh and that he's cutting the throats of all the people who helped us in the war, this is probably the first time Ive ever been physically sickened over something like this, like right now my stomach is turning so hard it's causing pain, and im feeling like I want to throw up, my heart feels like it's been ran over, thinking that all those people are going to not only die, but die in some of the worst ways possible, by freaks that shouldn't even be allowed to live, biden pounded the nail into their coffins, and I can honestly say right this second I'm feeling something I have not felt in my 43 years on this earth, I AM ASHAMED TO BE AN AMERICAN!! I am being 100% sincere I feel like im going to tear up, the fire I felt of patriotism is burned out, I want to jump in a hole and never come out, I'm not sure why this is effecting me like this, but I hope I rebound quickly, because it doesn't really feel like my country is going to be around much longer, and after this, I don't care or think that's a bad thing, but I don't think im gonna get much sleep, I didst even want my GF to come over, im fucked up.

Presidents come and go and some do shameful things. It doesn't change who you are or what America stands for as a concept. The Statue of Liberty will still be standing long after Biden has been and gone.

[Stefan]

13 minutes ago, auslander said:

Presidents come and go and some do shameful things. It doesn't change who you are or what America stands for as a concept. The Statue of Liberty will still be standing long after Biden has been and gone.

Don't be so sure. The woke people will find a way to take down the statue...

[Glen]

1 hour ago, heavyharmonies said:

Bullshit. Stop defending the indefensible.

lol. I'm not defending Biden. His actions have been shit. 

But I do believe the deal was shoddy and this was always the inevitable outcome

[Dead Planet]

6 hours ago, Leykis101 said:

Biden admin announces that there's NO Americans stranded in Afgh and that he's cutting the throats of all the people who helped us in the war, this is probably the first time Ive ever been physically sickened over something like this, like right now my stomach is turning so hard it's causing pain, and im feeling like I want to throw up, my heart feels like it's been ran over, thinking that all those people are going to not only die, but die in some of the worst ways possible, by freaks that shouldn't even be allowed to live, biden pounded the nail into their coffins, and I can honestly say right this second I'm feeling something I have not felt in my 43 years on this earth, I AM ASHAMED TO BE AN AMERICAN!! I am being 100% sincere I feel like im going to tear up, the fire I felt of patriotism is burned out, I want to jump in a hole and never come out, I'm not sure why this is effecting me like this, but I hope I rebound quickly, because it doesn't really feel like my country is going to be around much longer, and after this, I don't care or think that's a bad thing, but I don't think im gonna get much sleep, I didst even want my GF to come over, im fucked up.

People have short biased memories as they seem to have forgotten that Trump abandoned the Kurds to their fate after they fought bravely and died alongside US troops fighting ISIS and the Syrians and I don't remember the right wing saying anything negative about it....but lets not let facts get in the way of hating Biden....

The bottom line is that after what happened to the Kurds and the Afghans , the US has lost the trust of most of the world and the next time they come calling asking for a favor or co-operation , it will be much harder to come by....

[nyoilers]

On 8/24/2021 at 3:34 AM, Darkstone said:

 

He certainly wouldn't have gone into hiding and essentially wash his hands

Don't know about hand washing but I do remember bunker boy hiding

[Glen]

3 minutes ago, nyoilers said:

Don't know about hand washing but I do remember bunker boy hiding

LMAO. how quickly people forget 🤣🤣

[Leykis101]

16 hours ago, Stefan said:

 

DeSantis? 

My friend that is 3 long  years away, look what been done in 8 months, DeSantis would literally be the Savior America needed, he would have his work cut out for him, but ive never championed another states Governor in my life, my brother lives in Florida, and it's really normal there, I cant complain cause where I live it's normal, but I dont trust my Governor as far as I can throw him, anyone who's woke will never gain my trust, cause their untrustworthy, Desantis has proven he doesn't talk, he acts, and anyone who knows me my biggest motto outside of I don't eat on the 1st date, is action not words, and Desantis is the epitome of that. Dont think i'll be here in 3 years though, but we will see.

[Leykis101]

8 hours ago, nyoilers said:

Don't know about hand washing but I do remember bunker boy hiding

Oh you mean the secret service forced him into the bunker with his family as is mandatory when theres a large group of angry (*&*^&$ that could breach the white house, thats mandatory procedure, geniuses, jesus christ you guys sound like Biden supporters, I can tell, check out the left cant meme, it's you guys down to the last letter,

[Leykis101]

10 hours ago, Dead Planet said:

People have short biased memories as they seem to have forgotten that Trump abandoned the Kurds to their fate after they fought bravely and died alongside US troops fighting ISIS and the Syrians and I don't remember the right wing saying anything negative about it....but lets not let facts get in the way of hating Biden....

The bottom line is that after what happened to the Kurds and the Afghans , the US has lost the trust of most of the world and the next time they come calling asking for a favor or co-operation , it will be much harder to come by....

Are you being 100% honest bro? really? or are you just trying to be devils advocate? Trump absolutely did that, and I didnt agree with it, but he listened to his generals, which I referenced once already earlier in this thread, he didnt lone wolf it, blow off what his generals told him to do, and do the opposite, the situations were almost completely different, doesnt mean it was right, but to compare it to whats going on in this situation, it's apples and oranges, and extremely different situations with extremely different parameters and outcomes.

[Dead Planet]

29 minutes ago, Leykis101 said:

Are you being 100% honest bro? really? or are you just trying to be devils advocate? Trump absolutely did that, and I didnt agree with it, but he listened to his generals, which I referenced once already earlier in this thread, he didnt lone wolf it, blow off what his generals told him to do, and do the opposite, the situations were almost completely different, doesnt mean it was right, but to compare it to whats going on in this situation, it's apples and oranges, and extremely different situations with extremely different parameters and outcomes.

Trump rarely listened to his generals but I will admit that I do not know what his top generals actually told him but I would be surprised if they recommended abandoning the Kurds to the Syrians, Russians, Turks and Iranians especially since they were not even sure that ISIS was defeated...I do know that the generals and soldiers on the ground who fought alongside the Kurds were really pissed off about it....the Kurds have been under attack almost constantly since the US left...so not apples and oranges, just another presidential fuckup.....

 

[Leykis101]

2 hours ago, Dead Planet said:

Trump rarely listened to his generals but I will admit that I do not know what his top generals actually told him but I would be surprised if they recommended abandoning the Kurds to the Syrians, Russians, Turks and Iranians especially since they were not even sure that ISIS was defeated...I do know that the generals and soldiers on the ground who fought alongside the Kurds were really pissed off about it....the Kurds have been under attack almost constantly since the US left...so not apples and oranges, just another presidential fuckup.....

 

All of that was over Turkey preparing airstrikes, fact of the matter was that Turkey was going to go through with their airstrikes, that had nothing to do with what we were doing, what we did was pull our troops out of the area Turkey was preparing to strike, the Kurds and the Turks have had their own conflict going on for years, the Turks see the Kurds as terrorists, and they very well could be, Im ignorant on any muslim conflicts, primarily because theres way to many of them to even care about, it's like they are all the same religion, yet they all hate each other, I compare them to street gangs here in the US, they are all from the same country, same towns in many cases, yet they hate each other, Trump decided to pull the troops out of the areas Turkey was going to strike, it was fucked up, but they were going to do it anyways, and last I checked that was the last thing Trump wanted his first 5 months in office, Turkey strikes US soldiers, then Trump has no choice then to retaliate, putting us right into the middle of a conflict with a country we are neutral with, Mattis and Kelly were his generals and they are very liberal generals when it comes to generals, and they advised him as fucked up as it was, really his only option was to pull our troops out, and in that case im glad he did, because a war with Turkey wasnt what we wanted, we are already in a war with the Taliban, and the fact we just pack up and leave stranding people who had helped us, who are just civilians, just has no forgiveness, the Kurds were fighting, they werent women and children who had done nothing, that doesnt excuse it but it's an entirely different scenario all together.

[Dead Planet]

14 minutes ago, Leykis101 said:

All of that was over Turkey preparing airstrikes, fact of the matter was that Turkey was going to go through with their airstrikes, that had nothing to do with what we were doing, what we did was pull our troops out of the area Turkey was preparing to strike, the Kurds and the Turks have had their own conflict going on for years, the Turks see the Kurds as terrorists, and they very well could be, Im ignorant on any muslim conflicts, primarily because theres way to many of them to even care about, it's like they are all the same religion, yet they all hate each other, I compare them to street gangs here in the US, they are all from the same country, same towns in many cases, yet they hate each other, Trump decided to pull the troops out of the areas Turkey was going to strike, it was fucked up, but they were going to do it anyways, and last I checked that was the last thing Trump wanted his first 5 months in office, Turkey strikes US soldiers, then Trump has no choice then to retaliate, putting us right into the middle of a conflict with a country we are neutral with, Mattis and Kelly were his generals and they are very liberal generals when it comes to generals, and they advised him as fucked up as it was, really his only option was to pull our troops out, and in that case im glad he did, because a war with Turkey wasnt what we wanted, we are already in a war with the Taliban, and the fact we just pack up and leave stranding people who had helped us, who are just civilians, just has no forgiveness, the Kurds were fighting, they werent women and children who had done nothing, that doesnt excuse it but it's an entirely different scenario all together.

So now Trump was afraid of the Turks....there goes the strongman theory out the window.....to be clear the Turks would never have taken the chance on bombing US troops...Trump was telling everyone at his rallies that he was going to bring the troops home no matter what and that was his reasoning for abandoning the Kurds....after all the Kurds meant nothing to him, just another bunch of camel jockeys....

[Glen]

3 hours ago, Dead Planet said:

So now Trump was afraid of the Turks....there goes the strongman theory out the window.....to be clear the Turks would never have taken the chance on bombing US troops...Trump was telling everyone at his rallies that he was going to bring the troops home no matter what and that was his reasoning for abandoning the Kurds....after all the Kurds meant nothing to him, just another bunch of camel jockeys....

Just like the Afghans.

Trump had zero interest in them - he actually bypassed them and spoke directly to the taliban.

Was all about America first and getting the troops back.

but hey....we've been banging on about this for days now and as usual no one is going to change their mind on events lol. 

[Leykis101]

6 hours ago, Dead Planet said:

So now Trump was afraid of the Turks....there goes the strongman theory out the window.....to be clear the Turks would never have taken the chance on bombing US troops...Trump was telling everyone at his rallies that he was going to bring the troops home no matter what and that was his reasoning for abandoning the Kurds....after all the Kurds meant nothing to him, just another bunch of camel jockeys....

Oh but if he had left them there then it would be he just wants to keep the war going right? exactly, see how you guys argue, I already said it was a shitty deal either way, at least he wasn't leaving an entire country's capitol city to face the brutality of an extremist terror group, while the world watched, Trump cared about our troops, that's why he was working a deal to bring them home this time, he certainly wasn't going to leave our highest military technology in the hands of the terrorists, why cant you just admit you support a pussy ass coward, who cant even remember his own name, or finish a sentence, who really isn't putting the country he's supposed to represent first? it's OK to admit you and glen and ny pleasure oil are commies, nobody here will look down on you, I mean I certainly couldn't look down on you guys anymore cause my neck doesn't tilt that direction and my eyesight not good enough to see down that far, socialists are very highly regarded, in Cuba,

You guys keep making these "oh yeah well what about Trump doing this" arguments that equate to my dad could beat up your dad, or my dicks bigger then your dick, well OK, your dick is much bigger then my dick, and more retarded, and took his VP so seriously he took a diversity hire who was about the absolute worst fucking politician in the history of the US, even worse then AOC, at least Id smash her out, so you guys keep flapping your pole smokers, but your guy is only in his first 8 months and has fucked more up and done more damage then Trump even came close to doing in 4 years, and Biden hasn't done anything good for this country, not 1 fucking thing, its seriously like his purposely trying to destroy it,

 

OK lets hear it, "oh but Trump tweeted really mean shit and it hurt peoples feelings" christ you guys are non stop comedy.

 

[Leykis101]

4 hours ago, Glen said:

Just like the Afghans.

Trump had zero interest in them - he actually bypassed them and spoke directly to the taliban.

Was all about America first and getting the troops back.

but hey....we've been banging on about this for days now and as usual no one is going to change their mind on events lol. 

You sure about that? looks like he knew what he was doing, ah where is Ghani anyways? he seemed to have slipped through the cracks didnt he? oh yeah his bitch ass jumped in a helicopter and fled to Tajikistan with all that money meant for the people of Kabul, yep sounds like your kind of President, so your right, im wrong, he shouldve talked to him instead of the Taliban.

[auslander]

Whataboutism is the favourite deflection technique of the Left. Never take responsibility, deflect... deflect... deflect...

[Dead Planet]

2 hours ago, Leykis101 said:

Oh but if he had left them there then it would be he just wants to keep the war going right? exactly, see how you guys argue, I already said it was a shitty deal either way, at least he wasn't leaving an entire country's capitol city to face the brutality of an extremist terror group, while the world watched, Trump cared about our troops, that's why he was working a deal to bring them home this time, he certainly wasn't going to leave our highest military technology in the hands of the terrorists, why cant you just admit you support a pussy ass coward, who cant even remember his own name, or finish a sentence, who really isn't putting the country he's supposed to represent first? it's OK to admit you and glen and ny pleasure oil are commies, nobody here will look down on you, I mean I certainly couldn't look down on you guys anymore cause my neck doesn't tilt that direction and my eyesight not good enough to see down that far, socialists are very highly regarded, in Cuba,

You guys keep making these "oh yeah well what about Trump doing this" arguments that equate to my dad could beat up your dad, or my dicks bigger then your dick, well OK, your dick is much bigger then my dick, and more retarded, and took his VP so seriously he took a diversity hire who was about the absolute worst fucking politician in the history of the US, even worse then AOC, at least Id smash her out, so you guys keep flapping your pole smokers, but your guy is only in his first 8 months and has fucked more up and done more damage then Trump even came close to doing in 4 years, and Biden hasn't done anything good for this country, not 1 fucking thing, its seriously like his purposely trying to destroy it,

 

OK lets hear it, "oh but Trump tweeted really mean shit and it hurt peoples feelings" christ you guys are non stop comedy.

 

Blah, blah , blah, Trump is great and Biden is bad...the usual defensiveness from the far right....not easy defending the indefensible is it?...lol....

Seems to me you complained not long ago about me labeling you as a right winger yet labeling me and others as commies is acceptable when you disagree with us....if we are playing the name game then all right wingers must be nazis right ?

[nyoilers]

4 hours ago, auslander said:

Whataboutism is the favourite deflection technique of the Left. Never take responsibility, deflect... deflect... deflect...

Of course I say it's the favorite deflection of the right 

[heavyharmonies]

Well thanks to today's terror bombing in Kabul, 12 U.S. service members are now dead (so far). Thanks, Joe. Such an awesome leader. *spit*

Utter incompetence.

[Glen]

Gen McMaster, who served as a senior US officer in Afghanistan, told BBC News the US had prioritised "getting the hell out of there, regardless of what the consequences will be" and that the attack at Kabul airport was "what happens when you surrender to a terrorist organisation".

“Maybe this moment is the time that we can stop our self delusion that these groups are separate from one and other and recognise that they are utterly intertwined and interconnected, and what we are seeing is the establishment of a terrorist, jihadist state in Afghanistan. And all of us will be at much greater risk as a result."

He said his former boss, President Donald Trump, had been "played" by the Taliban in negotiations last year. Mr Trump agreed to remove US troops from Afghanistan within 14 months.

 

 

Trump = utter incompetence 

#americafirst 

[heavyharmonies]

So none of this is Biden's fault. Got it. You're a fucking moron.

[AlphaMale]

8 minutes ago, heavyharmonies said:

So none of this is Biden's fault. Got it. You're a fucking moron.

100% accurate. Spot on.

[Glen]

7 minutes ago, heavyharmonies said:

So none of this is Biden's fault. Got it. You're a fucking moron.

the same can be said for someone who believes its got nothing to do with Trump.

He signed the deal. This is what he wanted. You get that right? 

Even his own general says he was played.