Corona

[Glen]

8 minutes ago, Geoff said:

You and I may be "lucky" that the heaviest weight of the covid idiocy didn't impact us personally on anything more than a trivial level (which is in the eye of the beholder itself), but not everyone was so "lucky." 

we were also lucky that COVID didn't kill any of our families. 

Now move on mate 

[Geoff]

20 minutes ago, Glen said:

we were also lucky that COVID didn't kill any of our families. 

Now move on mate 

As are we, touch wood, that any of the billion other things that also matter did not. 

[CureTheSane]

4 hours ago, Geoff said:

 

lol. Interesting. So I have an issue with moronic covid restrictions and cop a pathetic barrage of wah wah's, but the idiocy comes to affect you personally and suddenly you're not so fond of your master's rules? Do you tell your wife to just move on? 

 

Pretty much.
Can't change it, so accept it and move on.
Big deal, we have to wait 2 days to see a baby. So long as it's healthy, not the end of the world.
But it's wrong by society, and shouldn't be.

I was merely pointing out a shitty side effect of covid and now you think I'm like you?
ok.....

Who do you think my 'master' is?
you're a weird fucking unit.

[Geoff]

1 minute ago, CureTheSane said:

Pretty much.
Can't change it, so accept it and move on.
Big deal, we have to wait 2 days to see a baby. So long as it's healthy, not the end of the world.
But it's wrong by society, and shouldn't be.

I was merely pointing out a shitty side effect of covid and now you think I'm like you?
ok.....

Who do you think my 'master' is?
you're a weird fucking unit.

No, no, you are definitely not like me. Usually that would be a compliment, but not in your case.

Your master, obviously, is Dan Andrews. I'm surprised you actually kind of spoke out against something he's ordered upon you, though I see you graciously accept it is just something you must accept and move on from.

It is an absolutely fucking ridiculous "rule," and would have been in June 2020. For this to still be happening in 2023 is just shameful. I wonder how much more we just accept and move on from. I'd love to hear someone possibly try to even justify that rule. I don't know why people ever mention garbage like long covid, when the real worry is how braindead large portions of society have been left in the aftermath of covid. 

[CureTheSane]

Yeah, read a whole bunch of my past posts.
I hate Daniel Andrews, before covid, during, and after.
Hell, was only a couple of days ago I was ripping him (on this board) for allowing the Vic govt to sponsoer the netball team.
But as usual you just selectively read what you like, or more likely just blatantly lie to make me look bad.
Dude, I can make myself look bad without needing you.

Andrews will be re-elected, because people are happy to accept what he did during covid, before covid and after covid.
But it's not all about covid.
Did you know that Victorias debt is more than NSW, Qld and Tas combined?
He is completely fucking our state.
All started when he won government and reneged on the East West freeway lionk, and forfeited 2B dolloars.
Yes, 2 BILLION for bailing on the contract.
Motherfucker.
And since then all he has done is ruin our state.

So I willl vote against him obviously.
But people suck and he will get back in, and it will be everyones collectiove faulty.
Unlike you, I will move onand live a happy life.  

[Geoff]

Some interesting words coming out of the UK Parliament at the moment. Nice to see some testicular fortitude in such settings and one can only hope it spreads-

 

 

And for anyone wondering why the videos are approached in the manner that they are, it's really quite a dazzling situation. If this Dr John Campbell chap were to say the words being said in UK Parliament of his own accord, he would be banned from Youtube. What a magnificent world, lol. 

 

[Darkstone]

Surely, no matter what side you're on in this argument, we can all agree with what's being said in this video.

 

 

[auslander]

1 hour ago, Darkstone said:

Surely, no matter what side you're on in this argument, we can all agree with what's being said in this video.

 

 

About the eating of testicles?

[Darkstone]

40 minutes ago, auslander said:

About the eating of testicles?

Yes, about the eating of testicles.

I thought that was obvious. 

[Geoff]

As far as public figures go, very few speak with as much logic and common sense as Russell Brand. I enjoyed this, as I do most of his offerings on youtube. Every time I see one of his videos, in fact, I think how interesting it would be to see even the most passionate covid die-hard argue the points he makes. 

[Geoff]

I was going to post this a week or so back too, but I know no one who should watch it will watch it, but I'll put it here for interest's sake anyway. Again, the meeting of two highly logical minds-

 

[Glen]

On 11/16/2022 at 6:39 AM, Darkstone said:

Surely, no matter what side you're on in this argument, we can all agree with what's being said in this video.

 

 

I watched part of it.

I agree that the UK government handling of the pandemic was shit. They failed to lock down early enough leading to 1000s of deaths, they failed care homes, they offered PPE contracts to their mates which wasted billions of tax payers money. All shocking and it was played out daily in the UK parliament, each shocking failure.

However I think the one thing they got right was the vaccine rollout and the speed of our opening up again.

I notice he talks about them now testing for possible side affects of the vaccine which might affect a random minority but doesn't talk about the near 2000 people a day who were dying from this virus at the peak (I bet they wished they had the option of a vaccine) or the hundreds of thousands of people who are suffering the debilitating effects of long covid - I know quite a few. 

In fact the government are being investigated for that too. Their failings which impacted so many peoples lives.

Lastly, no sitting politician should be on a reality TV shows and  he has been suspended from his party. 

[Geoff]

26 minutes ago, Glen said:

I notice he talks about them now testing for possible side affects of the vaccine which might affect a random minority but doesn't talk about the near 2000 people a day who were dying from this virus at the peak (I bet they wished they had the option of a vaccine) or the hundreds of thousands of people who are suffering the debilitating effects of long covid - I know quite a few. 

lol. You might want to look outside of your 6pm bulletin for a gauge on what exactly this "random minority" is, and what exactly the "possible side effects" are. It won't take very long at all for the collateral damage of the covid panic to far outweigh what covid actually is... if you believe that it hasn't already happened a long time ago. They're even talking about it in your parliament over there. But that's probably not newsworthy, I guess. 

As for long covid vs vaccine injuries / alleged associated deaths... the big difference between the two, that I find to be a point far too major to ignore, is that covid was not mandated and forced upon us all.

[Glen]

3 hours ago, Geoff said:

lol. You might want to look outside of your 6pm bulletin for a gauge on what exactly this "random minority" is, and what exactly the "possible side effects" are. It won't take very long at all for the collateral damage of the covid panic to far outweigh what covid actually is... if you believe that it hasn't already happened a long time ago. They're even talking about it in your parliament over there. But that's probably not newsworthy, I guess. 

As for long covid vs vaccine injuries / alleged associated deaths... the big difference between the two, that I find to be a point far too major to ignore, is that covid was not mandated and forced upon us all.

https://fullfact.org/health/vaccine-safety-westminster-debate/

interesting reading I find 

[Glen]

and then you have this which is actually where the main problem lies :

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/01/two-million-people-in-uk-living-with-long-covid-say-studies

 

The figures also drew criticism of the government from the all party parliamentary group on coronavirus.

“For nearly two years we have been warning the UK government about the scale and dangers of the long Covid crisis and their failure to properly address it will continue to devastate lives, damage our economy and cripple public services by decreasing productivity and increasing labour shortages,” said Layla Moran, the group’s chair.

 

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I was watching the news last night talking of labour shortages in uk. Needs to be a full investigation and UK government held to account 

Edited November 17, 2022 by Glen

[Darkstone]

9 hours ago, Glen said:

 the near 2000 people a day who were dying from this virus at the peak

You quote these numbers that were fed to you by the media quite often as a basis for your arguments. 

Have you ever thought that these numbers were false or misrepresented? 

As for "long covid", just playing Devil's advocate here, but have you ever thought that maybe it's a result/side effect of the vaccine? 

You tend to have a lot of faith in the powers that be and what they tell you, even though said powers are now backtracking on nearly every aspect of the handling of this issue. 

[Glen]

3 hours ago, Darkstone said:

You quote these numbers that were fed to you by the media quite often as a basis for your arguments. 

Have you ever thought that these numbers were false or misrepresented? 

As for "long covid", just playing Devil's advocate here, but have you ever thought that maybe it's a result/side effect of the vaccine? 

You tend to have a lot of faith in the powers that be and what they tell you, even though said powers are now backtracking on nearly every aspect of the handling of this issue. 

most of the people suffering with long covid had the disease before the vaccines rolled out.

And they had covid - the symptoms generally start as soon as you get it.

it's not rocket science lol. 

I had long covid in my arm for 4 months. Started as soon as I contracted covid the first time round. 

Also were these numbers fed to us?? These were just the daily deaths. There's a ton of stats you can look to support these numbers cut a million different ways. Excess deaths is the most telling stat. Why do you think this is all made up? 

I'd be interested to know.

And aren't other you tube things just quoting stats etc to debunk things now- why believe that.

The link I posted earlier my much slates all the things debated in that parliamentary meeting as either not true or twisted to an agenda. Doesn't that make you wonder. ??? come on tell me. I'm interested 

Why are they delaying the long Covid review? isn't that more important than slating the vaccine?? 

 

[auslander]

I had 5 vaxxine doses. They did nothing to prevent me getting covid. And when I got it a month ago it hit me hard. Only thing that helped were these extremely strong anti-virals. And I still have symptoms to this day.

Eventually the real story will come out that the so-called vaxxines were little more than placebos that provided minimal value. All they did was make trillionaire companies massive profits. 

Here is a very easy statement to prove my point: 97% of Australia have had the "vaxxine" in multiple doses. And 80% of Australians (minimum) have had covid since. Hardly a great vaxxine is it! Not really in the same league as the polio vaxxine which actually eliminated a disease.

And to think of the hysteria about people not getting vaccinated to the point they lost their jobs or were arrested for protesting. Someone should be held to account. But no-one will while the media continue to collude with the authoritarians.

[Glen]

26 minutes ago, auslander said:

I had 5 vaxxine doses. They did nothing to prevent me getting covid. And when I got it a month ago it hit me hard. Only thing that helped were these extremely strong anti-virals. And I still have symptoms to this day.

Eventually the real story will come out that the so-called vaxxines were little more than placebos that provided minimal value. All they did was make trillionaire companies massive profits. 

Here is a very easy statement to prove my point: 97% of Australia have had the "vaxxine" in multiple doses. And 80% of Australians (minimum) have had covid since. Hardly a great vaxxine is it! Not really in the same league as the polio vaxxine which actually eliminated a disease.

And to think of the hysteria about people not getting vaccinated to the point they lost their jobs or were arrested for protesting. Someone should be held to account. But no-one will while the media continue to collude with the authoritarians.

ya ya ya.

Well in UK the cases dropped off a cliff after the vaccine roll out. Everyone can argue to fit their agenda.

You'll never know just how ill you might have been without the vaccine?

Did you end up fighting for your last breath on a ventilator? I know some people at my work who did in the early days.

 

[auslander]

3 hours ago, Glen said:

ya ya ya.

Well in UK the cases dropped off a cliff after the vaccine roll out. Everyone can argue to fit their agenda.

You'll never know just how ill you might have been without the vaccine?

Did you end up fighting for your last breath on a ventilator? I know some people at my work who did in the early days.

 

This had everything to do with successive lesser mutations of the virus taking over and being less severe than the original version and nothing to do with the vaxxine. Every single person knows this truth but no-one wants to admit it on the "obey your masters" side.

[Geoff]

16 hours ago, Glen said:

https://fullfact.org/health/vaccine-safety-westminster-debate/

interesting reading I find 

Interesting for someone with your beliefs. I'd like to see the same dedication given to debunking all the garbage we've been fed via our "health experts," media and governments over the last few years. If you can get them to put that together we can look at the two assessments alongside each other and make some commentary. 

As it is, most the article came across more as, "well, it's kind of true, barring this minor technicality." 

16 hours ago, Glen said:

 

I was watching the news last night talking of labour shortages in uk. Needs to be a full investigation and UK government held to account 

You do confuse me, my good man. You seem disgruntled with your government because they didn't lock down quick enough and they haven't stopped this long covid you seem very drawn towards, but then, you are absolutely convinced that we'd all be dead now if you weren't all locked down and vaccinated... which was forced upon you by your government, no? So, by your reasoning, your government is the only reason you're alive today? Please correct me if I misunderstand. 

If you genuinely hold your beliefs, how can you be so critical of the government, if you believe we'd all be dead without their intervention?

7 hours ago, Glen said:

I had long covid in my arm for 4 months. Started as soon as I contracted covid the first time round. 

Not trying to be facetious, just genuinely interested... but can you explain this a little more. 

7 hours ago, Glen said:

Also were these numbers fed to us?? These were just the daily deaths. There's a ton of stats you can look to support these numbers cut a million different ways. Excess deaths is the most telling stat. Why do you think this is all made up? 

I don't think you've ever once acknowledged there may be a difference between with, and from. But I'll put it out there again. 

Have you kept track of excess deaths since the panic of covid died down? In an era where every death is not attributed to covid, I think you'll find some alarming stats there too. How would you explain those excess deaths, if it's not covid anymore? 

7 hours ago, Glen said:

The link I posted earlier my much slates all the things debated in that parliamentary meeting as either not true or twisted to an agenda. Doesn't that make you wonder. ??? come on tell me. I'm interested 

lol, good point. Anyone who has had an opinion different to the mainstream narrative has been so graciously accepted over the past three years, so I can't for the life of me think why someone might struggle to still get such a point across? 

7 hours ago, Glen said:

Why are they delaying the long Covid review? isn't that more important than slating the vaccine?? 

Very curious as to what you think a review into long covid is going to solve? You want them to develop another vaccine to end long covid? 

I don't understand why you're so nonchalant about something as significant as most of the world being forced to take a vaccine that they do not need, and may be, allegedly, proven to actually be harmful to some - most significantly the ones who needed it least of all. You don't consider that an important thing to address? 

7 hours ago, Glen said:

You'll never know just how ill you might have been without the vaccine?

If only there were a place like, I don't know... something like Africa, or something like that, that could show us how it would have been. 

[Darkstone]

2 hours ago, Geoff said:

Not trying to be facetious, just genuinely interested... but can you explain this a little more. 

Haven't you heard?

Apparently, excessive masturbation can lead to Covid of the arm.

Unfortunately, that puts me in the high risk category.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Darkstone

[Geoff]

3 minutes ago, Darkstone said:

Haven't you heard?

Apparently, excessive masturbation can lead to Covid of the arm.

Unfortunately, that puts me in the high risk category.

Haha. I have some wicked RSI issues in my arms at the moment. I wonder if that's classified as long covid too? 

I still don't actually think I've had it, but I'm going to assume I must have by now. Surely? 

[Glen]

no idea how to cut and paste like you do so I'll answer answer in order. Then I'm moving on which is what I suggest you do as well.

1. it wasn't dedication, I was just generally interested in your article, but as usual as soon as a googled one of the guys a fact check article popped up which pretty much dismissed every concern they were raising. What you then choose to believe is then up to the individual 

2. I don't necessarily believe I'd be dead if they hadn't locked down, but I do believe the death count would have been far greater. The initial mortality rate amongst the over 70s was about 15% and there was no vaccine. The early strains were far more deadly as Auslander so eloquently pointed out. Therefore the only way to stop the spread was to lock down and it worked. Situation in UK was very different to Aus at the start. But the UK government left it way too long before they locked down. We were far worse than most EU countries, especially Germany. Leading to much higher case loads in the early days - this is where they failed and yes there should be investigations. Not only the government but the health experts as well. Its different now with omicrom - nobody gives a shit anymore cos its like a bad cold.

3. First time I had covid in July I had pains from between my left shoulder blade all the way down my left arm. Could barely lift anything. Lastly for about 4 months before it finally waned. Muscle and joint pain is a common symptom of long covid 

4. no I haven't

5. Not the point - the factfind found most of it to be false or misleading. Why would u then be interested? If it was all true, then yes I would be interested. As usual tho it isn't. 🤷

6. they need a review into long covid cos the government failed and were inept. Simple. And no , unfortunately the poor people with long covid are stuck with it, be glad you aren't one of them. Also you keep saying the vaccine was forced on me?? it wasn't. Millions of people in the UK are unvaccinated. As far as I'm aware the only people in the UK who were mandated were healthcare workers or first line response staff. 

7. Well who knows eh? your point is basically irrelevant. As I've said before I know a few people who ended up on ventilators in hospital in the early days before the vaccines.

so there you go - you'll disagree with everything I said cos well, that's just you. But to each their own. Continually arguing the same points over and over is pointless especially when circumstances in our respective countries were so different.

Covid is pretty much a thing of the past in the UK. Nobody really talks about it anymore, there's nothing on the news , I'm not having anymore boosters cos it's just a bad cold now.

I do feel sorry for the people with long covid because I know a lot of people suffering with it and it can be very debilitating. 

Now it's time to move on

If you reply I will probably read it, but I've said my piece. No more lengthy replies from me you'll all be glad to hear 🙂 You can all argue about the vaccine between yourselves

Back to the music 🎶 

[Geoff]

23 minutes ago, Glen said:

no idea how to cut and paste like you do so I'll answer answer in order. Then I'm moving on which is what I suggest you do as well.

1. it wasn't dedication, I was just generally interested in your article, but as usual as soon as a googled one of the guys a fact check article popped up which pretty much dismissed every concern they were raising. What you then choose to believe is then up to the individual 

2. I don't necessarily believe I'd be dead if they hadn't locked down, but I do believe the death count would have been far greater. The initial mortality rate amongst the over 70s was about 15% and there was no vaccine. The early strains were far more deadly as Auslander so eloquently pointed out. Therefore the only way to stop the spread was to lock down and it worked. Situation in UK was very different to Aus at the start. But the UK government left it way too long before they locked down. We were far worse than most EU countries, especially Germany. Leading to much higher case loads in the early days - this is where they failed and yes there should be investigations. Not only the government but the health experts as well. Its different now with omicrom - nobody gives a shit anymore cos its like a bad cold.

3. First time I had covid in July I had pains from between my left shoulder blade all the way down my left arm. Could barely lift anything. Lastly for about 4 months before it finally waned. Muscle and joint pain is a common symptom of long covid 

4. no I haven't

5. Not the point - the factfind found most of it to be false or misleading. Why would u then be interested? If it was all true, then yes I would be interested. As usual tho it isn't. 🤷

6. they need a review into long covid cos the government failed and were inept. Simple. And no , unfortunately the poor people with long covid are stuck with it, be glad you aren't one of them. Also you keep saying the vaccine was forced on me?? it wasn't. Millions of people in the UK are unvaccinated. As far as I'm aware the only people in the UK who were mandated were healthcare workers or first line response staff. 

7. Well who knows eh? your point is basically irrelevant. As I've said before I know a few people who ended up on ventilators in hospital in the early days before the vaccines.

so there you go - you'll disagree with everything I said cos well, that's just you. But to each their own. Continually arguing the same points over and over is pointless especially when circumstances in our respective countries were so different.

Covid is pretty much a thing of the past in the UK. Nobody really talks about it anymore, there's nothing on the news , I'm not having anymore boosters cos it's just a bad cold now.

I do feel sorry for the people with long covid because I know a lot of people suffering with it and it can be very debilitating. 

Now it's time to move on

If you reply I will probably read it, but I've said my piece. No more lengthy replies from me you'll all be glad to hear 🙂 You can all argue about the vaccine between yourselves

Back to the music 🎶 

1. But that's why we've just endured the last three years in the manner we have... because you just keep listening to the same idiots, over and over again. You surely must be aware of equally qualified people, completely against the narrative you follow? We have the same here. There are actually a tiny handful of worthwhile politicians here too, that are slandered in the media because they oppose what we've been force fed. But you can't just assume that because the same idiots you've been listening to for the last few years say it, it is correct. New info comes to light all the time but you seem to just completely ignore it. I guess just because it's not shouted through a loudspeaker, like all the pro-covid stuff has been.

2. To each their own. I think Africa and Sweden show you may very well be way off the mark. You surely must realise that you can't just pinpoint a few months at the peak of what covid was and make all assessments based on that. The negative effects from lockdowns (and forced vaccines?) will be a factor for a long time to come, long, long after it's been acknowledged that perhaps the reaction to covid was a tad insanely disproportionate. 

I hate people more than anyone, but I don't understand why you think that low of humanity that you think we'd just all have walked blindly into our deaths if not for government intervention. Blows my mind, to be fair. 

3. Sorry to hear about your long covid thing. Hope it's better now and genuinely not trying to belittle your or anyone else's situation. I just personally don't know a single person who hasn't had covid (except me, possibly?) but I also don't know one single person who's got or had long covid, apart from you, I guess. And I have a tendency to believe what I see and experience first hand. 

I know that even with colds and flus, things sometimes linger. Especially a thing like a cough. I don't know if long covid is just being given the 2022 treatment (a label for something that's always been around and never needed a label) or if it is a truly valid thing. Who knows, though. With my luck, maybe I finally get covid and get a really severe case of long covid, just to prove a point? 

4. Trust me, cob, the excess deaths haven't stopped. Check your data sources. Which circles back to my point in #2. 

5. Same point as #1. You're looking towards idiots to verify what you can and cannot believe. Who is this factfind, and why do you trust them with your mind? The ability to take everything in and make up your own mind is far more satisfying, trust me. 

6. I'm just not sure what you think your governement could or can do about long covid. It's like trying to blame your government for cancer. The virus is the virus. I'm not sure what your government can do about an effect of the virus. Although, maybe if they stopped censoring anyone with an opinion, someone might actually have a valid way of treating long covid symptoms? But maybe there's not enough money in that...

On subject, another really interesting video, especially points towards the end as to how your local doctor benefits financially from every vaccine administered.

 

As for vaccines not being forced upon you, you are very fortunate. Sadly, not the case here whatsoever. Also, if millions are unvaccinated in the UK, what part did they all play in UK cases falling off a cliff after the vaccine rollout?

But did they really have nothing in the UK like we did here? Where lockdowns wouldn't end until 90% of the population was vaccinated?  

7. lol, of course my point is irrelevant... because you and your factfinds say it is, I guess? 

Anyway, happy to move on too. 

Just to end this on a positive note, I encourage people to give this a listen for some abrasive, unapologetically honest (and entirely accurate, lol) thoughts on the covid stuff. I think the majority of it happens in the first half hour or so. And as always, I recommend anywhere from 1.25, 1.5 or 2x speed when listening to these long things. 

Anyway, I had no idea who this Andrew Tate guy is bar a couple of (surprise surprise) extremely skewed hit pieces in mainstream media on him. Doesn't take long to understand why he's not popular with the puppets and blankminds.