Would you like to see any of the following bands added to HH?

[Metal T]

Pseudo Echo' are on there and a whole host of (IMO) questionable slop....

I've been posting on the main site since 2002...i'll debate ANYONE on certain bands 'belonging'.

Doesn't mean i know everything,anyone will listen and anything i mention gets added....i do think it's a healthy and long overdue debate to have or one to have again.

[Jez]

Christopher Cross definitely, as their are quite a few West Coast/ Yacht artists on the site and he is the king. His debut and 'Rendezvous' are 2 classic albums in the genre. straddling Yacht and AOR with ease

Pearl Jam - I would go with them, especially as the debut 'Ten' is a classic Hard Rock album whatever other label you want to put on it. The next 2 albums would get in as well in my opinion

Genesis - Once again a good few 'Prog' bands on HH, so why not one of the leaders of the genre. Marillion are on here, and their first 4 albums especially are hugely influenced by Genesis, as well as a good few others.....or don't have Prog on here at all.

[Darkstone]

I guess at the end of the day, the database is still evolving and probably always will be.

That's a good thing.

[Doggy]

What about Creedence Clearwater Revile, do they belong here?

[Dramarama]

I honestly think so. I submitted the 2 Chronicle cds today.

[Darkstone]

I love CCR, but I don't think so.

Not even close.

[Crazysam]

While I enjoy listening to some of those bands, I'd vote no on including any in the HH main database.  Especially the ones I'd classify as grunge (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Mudhoney) or alternative rock (Live and Collective Soul) as for me those are the antithesis of what I consider a HH artist to be.

[Captain Howdy]

There is always gonna be a fine line between what is an is not gonna cut the mustard on here.

As I said before, Cornell is an amazing singer and the stuff he did with Audioslave was certainly deserving of a place on the site as there was so much 70s hard rock/metal to their sound. But Soundgarden certainly does not fit beyond a few songs here and there. And his solo stuff is all over the place genre wise. His James Bond theme, you know my name is one of my favourite hard rock songs of all time and if he had released a whole album in that style, I would whole heartedly support that being on the site, but as much as I really like his Carry on album, it just does not belong here.

And I would be really against stuff like Pearl Jam and Creed not because I flat out hate them, but just because I don't think they really fit. There are bands I love I would not want on here, and there are bands I hate who I fully support them being on here (The Darkness for example).

The other thing to consider, as it was mentioned by someone, it does not matter if certain members of a band have albums on here, that does not mean there other bands belong on here. Audioslave yes, Soundgarden and RATM, no.

Scott Stapp (can't really comment) but Creed, no.

Mother Love Bone, yes. Pearl Jam, no.

And with some of the other bands mentioned, like The Cars. It's a slippery slope, as where do you stop? Should Dire Straits be on here? Bruce Springsteen? Huey Lewis? Mellencamp? All artists I really like, but don't think they have a place.

[Eric3]

My two cents...

This site's database was probably the single biggest factor in me getting into the AOR/melodic rock subgenre, and I was like a kid in a candy shop for a while because I knew *almost* every artist on here would appeal to me and fit what I was looking for. Finding new music you enjoy is one of life's greatest pleasures and for a while this site was my go-to. I'll always be grateful to Dan and the rest of the contributors for that.

That being said, I worry that it will lose a lot of that appeal if it just starts adding a bunch of artists that play rock music but do not fit in the AOR/melodic rock subgenre. There are a few bands on here that are already pushing it and if every artist with two guitars and a big snare drum gets admitted, what's separating this database from any other? We are all fans of a type of music that is quite "niche" these days but that's what makes the site special.

tl;dr I vote no on all of them. I vote no on Creed twice.

[Dramarama]

I get the idea of keeping the site pure but if you look at the genres of music on HH listed on the site not even all of them fit into the AOR/Melodic Rock sub genres and if you submit a cd there's even more categories. If the site was strictly AOR & Melodic Rock it would still be an amazing database but it's also, sleaze, glam, southern rock, blues rock, hard rock and modern hard rock and there's a lot more to those genres to explore. 

[Dramarama]

1 hour ago, Captain Howdy said:

There is always gonna be a fine line between what is an is not gonna cut the mustard on here.

As I said before, Cornell is an amazing singer and the stuff he did with Audioslave was certainly deserving of a place on the site as there was so much 70s hard rock/metal to their sound. But Soundgarden certainly does not fit beyond a few songs here and there. And his solo stuff is all over the place genre wise. His James Bond theme, you know my name is one of my favourite hard rock songs of all time and if he had released a whole album in that style, I would whole heartedly support that being on the site, but as much as I really like his Carry on album, it just does not belong here.

And I would be really against stuff like Pearl Jam and Creed not because I flat out hate them, but just because I don't think they really fit. There are bands I love I would not want on here, and there are bands I hate who I fully support them being on here (The Darkness for example).

The other thing to consider, as it was mentioned by someone, it does not matter if certain members of a band have albums on here, that does not mean there other bands belong on here. Audioslave yes, Soundgarden and RATM, no.

Scott Stapp (can't really comment) but Creed, no.

Mother Love Bone, yes. Pearl Jam, no.

And with some of the other bands mentioned, like The Cars. It's a slippery slope, as where do you stop? Should Dire Straits be on here? Bruce Springsteen? Huey Lewis? Mellencamp? All artists I really like, but don't think they have a place.

The reason I mentioned Alter Bridge and Scott Stapp's solo stuff is because I don't think it's too far off from Creed. Myles Kennedy obviously has a more dynamic voice than Stapp but musically they're very similar. At the end of the day as I've said I love this site and if Dan decided to strip it down to the bare bones and build a site from the ground up starting with Journey and Poison and I would still support it.

[Dramarama]

3 hours ago, Crazysam said:

While I enjoy listening to some of those bands, I'd vote no on including any in the HH main database.  Especially the ones I'd classify as grunge (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Mudhoney) or alternative rock (Live and Collective Soul) as for me those are the antithesis of what I consider a HH artist to be.

I hate that Collective Soul is considered alternate. When they were popular they were promoted as active rock, which I'm not sure what that is but it sounds a lot closer what they do than alternate rock. To me, alternative is REM and Pavement and the like.

[Crazysam]

15 hours ago, Dramarama said:

I hate that Collective Soul is considered alternate. When they were popular they were promoted as active rock, which I'm not sure what that is but it sounds a lot closer what they do than alternate rock. To me, alternative is REM and Pavement and the like.

That's fair.  And usually I don't get too into categorizing artists as everyone defines things differently.  I think "active" rock was a term given to artists which U.S. rock radio stations are playing in their rotation rather than a genre in itself.  But I recall Collective Soul, rightly or wrongly, being considered an alternative or post-grunge band in the mid-90's.   And were one of the artists that U.S. rock radio stations were playing instead of many of the melodic rock acts that were popular just a few years earlier   

[Dramarama]

I think the difference between Collective Soul and a lot of those bands is that their music could have been played in the 80s on the radio right next to the bands that I grew up loving. It's funny because I got a digital press kit for Dosage because I was a top reviewer on Garage Band and it was all about how Collective Soul had kept rock n roll alive and it referred to them as active rock multiple times. That was the first and last time I heard the term.

[Dramarama]

I was curious so I used the old Google machine. 

[auslander]

Coincidently I heard "Shine" today again and this time I listened with a critical ear. I really think it is far more classic rock sounding than alternative. I know they are more than one song, but that is the big hit that everyone knows. If Kissin Dynamite released "Shine" today (if we had never heard the song before) we'd all think it was frigging amazing.

Alternative is a pretty dumb label now as many bands considered alternative are basically mainstream rock. What are these million-selling bands alternative to exactly?

[Darkstone]

18 minutes ago, auslander said:

Coincidently I heard "Shine" today again and this time I listened with a critical ear. I really think it is far more classic rock sounding than alternative. I know they are more than one song, but that is the big hit that everyone knows. If Kissin Dynamite released "Shine" today (if we had never heard the song before) we'd all think it was frigging amazing.

Alternative is a pretty dumb label now as many bands considered alternative are basically mainstream rock. What are these million-selling bands alternative to exactly?

Whenever I hear "Shine", this always springs to mind. 

 

 

[Dramarama]

58 minutes ago, auslander said:

Coincidently I heard "Shine" today again and this time I listened with a critical ear. I really think it is far more classic rock sounding than alternative. I know they are more than one song, but that is the big hit that everyone knows. If Kissin Dynamite released "Shine" today (if we had never heard the song before) we'd all think it was frigging amazing.

Alternative is a pretty dumb label now as many bands considered alternative are basically mainstream rock. What are these million-selling bands alternative to exactly?

Chris Cornell did an interview once where he was talking about how college rock used to be these weird records that nobody ever really heard that a if they got placed on the radio it was at 3 am by some kid doing a show out of his dorm but then college rock became alternative rock and alternative rock became mainstream and then he said what are we the alternative too, what's not on the radio. 

[Darkstone]

On 5/7/2024 at 6:02 PM, Darkstone said:

Whenever I hear "Shine", this always springs to mind. 

 

 

 

 

...and from now on, this.