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wow. you must have better ears than me to make such comments.

I can listen to this just fine.

And songwise this is miles better than most stuff this year. 

I think for me they hold a special place as I've seen them many times live now and truly they are brilliant live. 

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Yeah I agree...the production job on Stereo Messiah was massive! This new album and their previous one pales in comparison. If this new sound is what they are most happy with then its very sad.

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Can I just add that I just listened to some of that Bless The Fall and it' overproduced imo. 

Just sounds manufactured and not real

I bet if you see them live they can' reproduce that sound and just sound like a row

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But again, I am not saying the new sound is horrendous. It's just not as good as Stereo Messiah to these ears.

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5 minutes ago, Ponen said:

But again, I am not saying the new sound is horrendous. It's just not as good as Stereo Messiah to these ears.

I agree.

But.....

Stereo Messiah was produced by Vega and mastered by Hess just like the new album so what changed?

Budget? Both on Frontiers??? 

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Actually it's kinda difficult to pin point wht exactly it is but I for sure prefer the drums sound on SM and WTH. Maybe they have toned down the treble a bit also. 

 

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31 minutes ago, Ponen said:

Actually it's kinda difficult to pin point wht exactly it is but I for sure prefer the drums sound on SM and WTH. Maybe they have toned down the treble a bit also. 

 

the drum sound is less bass

Quite often these days snare drums are made to sound like bass drums - doesn't sound natural imo. 

I agree it's not as punchy but nothing that mars my enjoyment of the album. 

In fact the difference isn't so bad on Spotify lol which is where I listen the most 

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22 hours ago, Glen said:

Can I just add that I just listened to some of that Bless The Fall and it' overproduced imo. 

Just sounds manufactured and not real

I bet if you see them live they can' reproduce that sound and just sound like a row

I assume you haven't seen many of these types of bands then, mate? Because I understand your line or reason here, but without exception, each one of these types of bands match their album production with their live sound... and this even includes outdoor festivals... but is noticeably present indoors. It's 2018 and shit can and should sound amazing, both on album and live. 

I kinda get the over-produced comments, and many agree, but I definitely don't feel the same. I love stuff that just sounds as clear, heavy, and well... well-recorded, as possible. I don't think it's a crime to want your art to sound a million dollars. End of the day, it sure as balls beats the alternative. ;)

Budget could be an issue, but why then are an unsigned No Sleep For Lucy able to record a flawless sounding disc? Why can Newman and JSS make everything they produce sound like gold? Most new albums sound great. The list of examples from bands with less excuse than Vega, who sound better than Vega (production-wise), would be endless. 

But I agree in terms of Vega, it is mostly just that pissy little drum sound which gets me. Overall, as I have agreed with also, it's not a bad production job. The album sounds adequate... but I don't think adequate is good enough for a band of this quality. And ballsy drums probably fix it up entirely, sad as it. :(

I made the point about the comparison between 'Stereo Messiah' and 'Who We Are' when 'Who we are' was released too, and thus completely agree. Like I said at the time, if it ain't broke don't fix it. 

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it won't stop my enjoyment of the album. Like I said whilst it's not stella it's perfectly acceptable.

Bit like Midnite City last year ;)

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1 hour ago, Geoff said:

I assume you haven't seen many of these types of bands then, mate? Because I understand your line or reason here, but without exception, each one of these types of bands match their album production with their live sound... and this even includes outdoor festivals... but is noticeably present indoors. It's 2018 and shit can and should sound amazing, both on album and live. 

While I agree with your overall premise about quality studio productions, I'm with Glen on a band like Blessthefall not being able to reproduce their sound live.  Just about everything has an artificial aspect to it on the studio recording.  I am not saying they sound bad live it just isn't going to sound like the album even if they pump in some additional sound and effects.   

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Every time I listen to Firehouse I ask, "Why can't all drums sound like this?" ;}

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