Give it another spin....

[Geoff]

I'm not emo. Emo kids are poofters. Not like us Goths.

[Geoff]

Sometimes this forum amuses me with comments I'd expect to see from poser heavy metal fans bollocking "hair metal" back in the Kerrang days. I do enjoy.

 

 

Back in the early to mid 80's and beyond, those so called 'Poser Heavy Metal fans' (whatever the fuck one of those is) did have a fair point mate, as the 'Hair Metal' scene was awash with absolute crap bands amongst some good ones (as was some of the metal scene) although you would have still been in shorts at the time I guess.

I disagree completely.

 

The 'Hair Metal' scene was awash with bands they/you did not personally like. It's not that they were crap (of course there were exceptions, but sure as hell these exceptions weren't Poison, Slaughter or Trixter). If it's not your scene/personal taste, fine. I just get the impression every poser and his pet pug wrote off Trixter based on band name, band image, band age, song titles and every other irrelevant reason they could find before hearing a single note on either of their great hard rock CDs.

[Jez]

Sometimes this forum amuses me with comments I'd expect to see from poser heavy metal fans bollocking "hair metal" back in the Kerrang days. I do enjoy.

 

 

Back in the early to mid 80's and beyond, those so called 'Poser Heavy Metal fans' (whatever the fuck one of those is) did have a fair point mate, as the 'Hair Metal' scene was awash with absolute crap bands amongst some good ones (as was some of the metal scene) although you would have still been in shorts at the time I guess.

I disagree completely.

 

The 'Hair Metal' scene was awash with bands they/you did not personally like. It's not that they were crap (of course there were exceptions, but sure as hell these exceptions weren't Poison, Slaughter or Trixter). If it's not your scene/personal taste, fine. I just get the impression every poser and his pet pug wrote off Trixter based on band name, band image, band age, song titles and every other irrelevant reason they could find before hearing a single note on either of their great hard rock CDs.

 

 

Haha - You would disagree as you are a 'Hair' metal fan, so that is a matter of personal opinion. You think Poison, Trixter etc were the best, then good for you, there are equally others who think they were total shit for their own good reasons - except the fact. I liked and still do like some of the bands, but there is no denying, there were loads of really bad bands around at the time, that couldn't play and couldn't write decent songs. Not being funny mate, I was listening to this stuff when you were playing with your Thomas The Tank engine and do actually have a fair knowledge in what I am talking about. Like you, Trixter were one of the late comers to the scene, so if you had been there at the time (early - mid 80's) when some of these Metal bands were releasing stuff that made some of the hair bands look like total clowns, you would see the 'poser' metal fans had a fair point.

[Geoff]

Sometimes this forum amuses me with comments I'd expect to see from poser heavy metal fans bollocking "hair metal" back in the Kerrang days. I do enjoy.

 

 

Back in the early to mid 80's and beyond, those so called 'Poser Heavy Metal fans' (whatever the fuck one of those is) did have a fair point mate, as the 'Hair Metal' scene was awash with absolute crap bands amongst some good ones (as was some of the metal scene) although you would have still been in shorts at the time I guess.

I disagree completely.

 

The 'Hair Metal' scene was awash with bands they/you did not personally like. It's not that they were crap (of course there were exceptions, but sure as hell these exceptions weren't Poison, Slaughter or Trixter). If it's not your scene/personal taste, fine. I just get the impression every poser and his pet pug wrote off Trixter based on band name, band image, band age, song titles and every other irrelevant reason they could find before hearing a single note on either of their great hard rock CDs.

 

 

Haha - You would disagree as you are a 'Hair' metal fan, so that is a matter of personal opinion. You think Poison, Trixter etc were the best, then good for you, there are equally others who think they were total shit for their own good reasons - except the fact. I liked and still do like some of the bands, but there is no denying, there were loads of really bad bands around at the time, that couldn't play and couldn't write decent songs. Not being funny mate, I was listening to this stuff when you were playing with your Thomas The Tank engine and do actually have a fair knowledge in what I am talking about. Like you, Trixter were one of the late comers to the scene, so if you had been there at the time (early - mid 80's) when some of these Metal bands were releasing stuff that made some of the hair bands look like total clowns, you would see the 'poser' metal fans had a fair point.

Being late to the scene has nothing to do with deciding what's good or not. In fact, it gave me the opportunity to look from above at all that had been released and then decide which - out of all of it - I thought was best.

 

The fact is, you think there were horrid "hair metal" hands and I have sure as hell never denied that. Stuff like Quireboys, Rock City Angles, Tattooed Love Boys, Thunder, Rhino Bucket, Sea Hags, Salty Dog etc. is some of the worst music I have ever heard in my life. But I have heard, in my opinion, a lot worse heavy metal and AOR bands. Of all rock genres, I personally found that "hair metal" had the most excellent bands and the ratio of good to bad, imo, was by far the least.

 

But to each their own. There's a lot of stuff I don't like but that doesn't necessarily make it crap. It just means I don't like it. I never said Poison or Trixter were the best, but I do love both bands. I just don't understand why personal dislike of a band = them being crap.

 

BTW, have you heard 'Hear!'?

[Jez]

Sometimes this forum amuses me with comments I'd expect to see from poser heavy metal fans bollocking "hair metal" back in the Kerrang days. I do enjoy.

 

 

Back in the early to mid 80's and beyond, those so called 'Poser Heavy Metal fans' (whatever the fuck one of those is) did have a fair point mate, as the 'Hair Metal' scene was awash with absolute crap bands amongst some good ones (as was some of the metal scene) although you would have still been in shorts at the time I guess.

I disagree completely.

 

The 'Hair Metal' scene was awash with bands they/you did not personally like. It's not that they were crap (of course there were exceptions, but sure as hell these exceptions weren't Poison, Slaughter or Trixter). If it's not your scene/personal taste, fine. I just get the impression every poser and his pet pug wrote off Trixter based on band name, band image, band age, song titles and every other irrelevant reason they could find before hearing a single note on either of their great hard rock CDs.

 

 

Haha - You would disagree as you are a 'Hair' metal fan, so that is a matter of personal opinion. You think Poison, Trixter etc were the best, then good for you, there are equally others who think they were total shit for their own good reasons - except the fact. I liked and still do like some of the bands, but there is no denying, there were loads of really bad bands around at the time, that couldn't play and couldn't write decent songs. Not being funny mate, I was listening to this stuff when you were playing with your Thomas The Tank engine and do actually have a fair knowledge in what I am talking about. Like you, Trixter were one of the late comers to the scene, so if you had been there at the time (early - mid 80's) when some of these Metal bands were releasing stuff that made some of the hair bands look like total clowns, you would see the 'poser' metal fans had a fair point.

 

 

But to each their own. There's a lot of stuff I don't like but that doesn't necessarily make it crap. It just means I don't like it. I never said Poison or Trixter were the best, but I do love both bands. I just don't understand why personal dislike of a band = them being crap.

 

BTW, have you heard 'Hear!'?

 

Indeed each to their own. I don't think Quireboys and Thunder have ever been 'Hair Metal' bands though mate to be honest. Quireboys were more a 70's/ Faces inspired band (and I know for a fact they would be very upset if you called them 'Hair Metal') and Thunder were more Bad Co. and Blues rock based.

 

I'm not going to explain AGAIN why I dislike Poison and Trixter, 'cos I have said why on many occassions, one band especially.

 

 

And yes I have heard 'Hear', as I said, I used to own both the Trixter discs - It was better than the awful debut, but very very average IMO and a disc I did not keep for very long.

[Geoff]

Yeah, that's a whole other discussion too - as to what's actually "hair metal" and what's not. I confess, in my opinion, there is nothing "hair metal" about The Quireboys, or really any of those bands. Fact is, some might call FM, Unruly Child, Signal, Alias hair metal bands whilst other gents call them AOR. Or melodic rock. It's a banquet of bands and terms. I just deal in what's good and what's not and Trixter are good.

[metalhead69]

After a very interesting discussion with A quite often tone Deaf Aussie lad about Trixter, I decided to give their S/T a spin again to see if I was being unfair for berating and laughing at the poor deluded chap. Now I only have a cd-r of this alleged musical masterpiece, after I sold the original version and to my surprise (errr..not really) I was correct all along. It was as I remembered it to be - Complete and utter piss weak bollox. As from this afternoon, I no longer even have a cd-r copy of said 'Shitster - S/T'

 

 

I 2nd that emotion

[TIM (2)]

After a very interesting discussion with A quite often tone Deaf Aussie lad about Trixter, I decided to give their S/T a spin again to see if I was being unfair for berating and laughing at the poor deluded chap. Now I only have a cd-r of this alleged musical masterpiece, after I sold the original version and to my surprise (errr..not really) I was correct all along. It was as I remembered it to be - Complete and utter piss weak bollox. As from this afternoon, I no longer even have a cd-r copy of said 'Shitster - S/T'

 

 

I 2nd that emotion

 

Yeah the first one's pretty poor, but I did think "Hear" was a very good disc. Even if you don't like the more standard hard rock tunes there are some great commercial numbers ("Nobodys A Hero", "As the Candle Burns", "Road of A Thousand Dreams") and I do love the guys vocals....

[Blue Charvel]

After a very interesting discussion with A quite often tone Deaf Aussie lad about Trixter, I decided to give their S/T a spin again to see if I was being unfair for berating and laughing at the poor deluded chap. Now I only have a cd-r of this alleged musical masterpiece, after I sold the original version and to my surprise (errr..not really) I was correct all along. It was as I remembered it to be - Complete and utter piss weak bollox. As from this afternoon, I no longer even have a cd-r copy of said 'Shitster - S/T'

 

 

I 2nd that emotion

 

Yeah the first one's pretty poor, but I did think "Hear" was a very good disc. Even if you don't like the more standard hard rock tunes there are some great commercial numbers ("Nobodys A Hero", "As the Candle Burns", "Road of A Thousand Dreams") and I do love the guys vocals....

Agreed, "Hear" is by far the better release. The s/t suffered from a fucked production even though it had some really great songs on it.

[Geoff]

After a very interesting discussion with A quite often tone Deaf Aussie lad about Trixter, I decided to give their S/T a spin again to see if I was being unfair for berating and laughing at the poor deluded chap. Now I only have a cd-r of this alleged musical masterpiece, after I sold the original version and to my surprise (errr..not really) I was correct all along. It was as I remembered it to be - Complete and utter piss weak bollox. As from this afternoon, I no longer even have a cd-r copy of said 'Shitster - S/T'

 

 

I 2nd that emotion

 

Yeah the first one's pretty poor, but I did think "Hear" was a very good disc. Even if you don't like the more standard hard rock tunes there are some great commercial numbers ("Nobodys A Hero", "As the Candle Burns", "Road of A Thousand Dreams") and I do love the guys vocals....

Agreed, "Hear" is by far the better release. The s/t suffered from a fucked production even though it had some really great songs on it.

Nicely put.

[metalmaniac777]

LEVITICUS: "Knights of Heaven"

 

Been years since I listened to this Swedish Christian white-metal band, so I dug it out the other day and gave it a spin, wondering how it would sound to my ears now that my musical tastes have evolved in a harder, heavier direction. In a word, dated...but not bad (actually, I guess that's 4 words, eh?). And by dated, I mean dated like most late 80s hard rock albums. However, the hooks on here are heavenly, there are some strong choruses (and a couple not so strong ones), and plenty of backing vocals for those who enjoy that sort of thing. Not bad, not bad at'all.

[Geoff]

King Kobra - 'Ready to strike' ; finally found this CD yesterday and got to give it a proper spin after all these years of crappy tapes/CDRs. Great stuff. Love the title track and 'Hunger' and I was hit with stabbing pains of longing to be free when 'Second thoughts' came on as I heard this on my Ipod on my recent holiday about 5 times. Great track, very cool album.

[Fat Freddy]

Savatage - FIGHT FOR THE ROCK (1986)

Eric kicked this thread off a while back with his take on this album, now here's my two cents on it... It's common knowledge that the band were under pressure from their record company during the recording of this album, with the label suits trying to shape them into a radio-friendly band. They've disowned the album ever since and it does stick out as the red headed stepkid of their catalog. I personally don't think it's a BAD album per se, but it's not a great one either. Unfortunately, every good song on FIGHT FOR THE ROCK is balanced out by a bad one. Eric didn't care for the cover of Badfinger's "Day After Day" in his review, but I find that to be one of the highlights of the disc (it actually foreshadows a lot of the theatrical, piano-laced material that would come later in their career). "Red Light Paradise" and "Hyde" are also killer tracks, sounding like they could've come off of the preceding POWER OF THE NIGHT. However, those goodies are sandwiched in between godawful crap like "She's Only Rock N Roll" or "Crying For Love." Cheesy stuff like this is beneath a band like Savatage. Fortunately the band hooked up with Paul O'Neill for the next album, HALL OF THE MOUNTAIN KING, and finally found their "niche" so to speak. A more apropos title for this one would've been BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE, since the band were in a transitional period, trying to maintain their underground metal edge on some songs while bending to commercialism on others. Not an essential Savatage disc unless you're a diehard, gotta-have-everything-by-this-band geek like me.

[heaven&hell]

King Kobra - 'Ready to strike' ; finally found this CD yesterday and got to give it a proper spin after all these years of crappy tapes/CDRs. Great stuff. Love the title track and 'Hunger' and I was hit with stabbing pains of longing to be free when 'Second thoughts' came on as I heard this on my Ipod on my recent holiday about 5 times. Great track, very cool album.

 

Great great great Hard Rock album IMO.

Mark/Marcie Free sure has been involved in some excellent releases over the years.

From this album to Unruly Child to Signal to his two solo discs(one Mark one Marcie).

[heaven&hell]

Savatage - FIGHT FOR THE ROCK (1986)

Eric kicked this thread off a while back with his take on this album, now here's my two cents on it... It's common knowledge that the band were under pressure from their record company during the recording of this album, with the label suits trying to shape them into a radio-friendly band. They've disowned the album ever since and it does stick out as the red headed stepkid of their catalog. I personally don't think it's a BAD album per se, but it's not a great one either. Unfortunately, every good song on FIGHT FOR THE ROCK is balanced out by a bad one. Eric didn't care for the cover of Badfinger's "Day After Day" in his review, but I find that to be one of the highlights of the disc (it actually foreshadows a lot of the theatrical, piano-laced material that would come later in their career). "Red Light Paradise" and "Hyde" are also killer tracks, sounding like they could've come off of the preceding POWER OF THE NIGHT. However, those goodies are sandwiched in between godawful crap like "She's Only Rock N Roll" or "Crying For Love." Cheesy stuff like this is beneath a band like Savatage. Fortunately the band hooked up with Paul O'Neill for the next album, HALL OF THE MOUNTAIN KING, and finally found their "niche" so to speak. A more apropos title for this one would've been BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE, since the band were in a transitional period, trying to maintain their underground metal edge on some songs while bending to commercialism on others. Not an essential Savatage disc unless you're a diehard, gotta-have-everything-by-this-band geek like me.

 

I've never heard this one or any of their releases prior to Hall of the Mountain King.

I used to see this everywhere cheap too and never picked it up for some reason.

I have read good things about Power of Night so I need to get that one.

[Fat Freddy]

I've never heard this one or any of their releases prior to Hall of the Mountain King.

I used to see this everywhere cheap too and never picked it up for some reason.

I have read good things about Power of Night so I need to get that one.

 

Yes, you do.

 

THE DUNGEONS ARE CALLING and/or SIRENS would be good pickups too. FIGHT FOR THE ROCK would be an "okay" pickup if you could get it cheap.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Sirens & Dungeons are recommended now about Fight it's very flat & commercial. Power of the night is darker it has 2-3 very good songs like s/t or Warriors but nothing special too...

[Geoff]

Just been going through a few old discs that I have not plucked from my collection for as long as 5, 6 or 7 years + in some cases. Just trying to put together my new trade list. Anyway, here's a few comments on some discs I had grown unfamiliar with:

 

Letter X - Time of the gathering ; this is really a good slab or hard rock/metal. I knew there was a reason it had survived in the collection for so long. Shame there's not a few more killers, but good stuff.

 

Loaded Dice - back in the alley ; this one was heavier than I remembered, and worse. Almost metal in some places.

 

Britny Fox - springhead motorshark ; this is a shame as there are really some half decent tracks early on, but the middle and end is just shit. The actual sound of the band on this disc is really pretty decent.

 

Bronx - Down & dirty ; Man the obvious fillers here are a shame. Not sure why they put those stupid bluesy shitty bar-room boogie numbers inbetween the cool rockers.

 

Doug Howard - last man standing ; Another shame. The second and third tracks are actually pretty good - almost Stun Leer-ish. Again, towards the end there are a couple of slight, distant glimpses at his work with Stun Leer. But in the middle and for the most part of this CD it's just far too shitty.

 

Great King Rat - out of the can ; wow. I'd written this off as useless demo fillers. I was wrong. It's not amazing, but this is a definite worthwhile CD in the collection and not as far off the debut as I thought. Good stuff.

 

Hard Knox - Combat alley ; Another one I'd harshly written off, but this is good solid sleaze/glam hard rock. I like it.

 

House of Lords - the power and the myth ; another shame. The first 2 songs are really pretty good. And then again, 'Man who I am' is another good one. But everything inbetween is just so bland and useless.

 

Ice Blue - s/t ; another nice surprise. Strong accent, but actually really cool melodic rock songs. Not out of this world, but a cool disc.

 

Allied Forces - r.u.wilde ; useless. I thought this was better than this. Maybe one half decent song but the rest was pretty much just filler.

 

Amsterdam - the santa clara syndicate ; what a crap disc. A few sombre tracks for sad times, but really a poor CD after the upbeat debut.

 

Anxiety - if i were ; I don't listen to this one often and it has a weird vibe. But some really cool songs, like 'Onnie'. I don't mind it but I just don't love it.

 

Any Day Now - millenium ; Another bunch of sop. Killer first track but nothing but filler afterwards. Except for one song. I think one other was decent, but this generally sucks.

 

Aquila - say yeah ; I actually quite like this... moreso than Terra Nova in places. The lyrics are awful and the production and way the band gel is not great, but the actual hooks are actually pretty good.

 

Dead Bang - i.d.c ; man this one's bad. poor, poor modern rock.

 

David Glen Eisley - stranger from the past ; disappointing CD. The songs are actually mostly pretty damn good, but it's the vocals and the vocal delivery, plus the mix that just drag this all down. Should be good with those songs, but it's just not.

 

Forever - faces of the past ; I actually thought I liked this one... but I really don't. Some good songs, but I just hate the vocals. Not a bad CD, just one I no longer like.

 

Humanimal - s/t ; This is sooooo shit. One of the worst Soto projects out there. The guitar is hell and so are the songs. There is nothing positive I can say at all about this pile of shit.

 

Journey - raised on radio ; as I was saying in another thread, give this CD even one ounce of balls and you might have something on your hands. As it is, I've heard heavier Enya CDs. I don't mind some AOR and have quite a lot in my collection, but NOTHING this soft. A couple of nice songs, but I struggle to view this as a "rock" CD.

 

Journey - trial by fire ; what a waste. A strong starting set of tracks. If they'd kept this to a 10 track CD half would have been filler but it would have been a pretty good disc. As it is, there is just blatant slow, dreary filler after blatant slow, dreary filler. I don't know why they dragged this on for 14 songs. Overall, bad album.

 

LA Guns - shrinking violet ; this is soooo bad. I always thought this was a cut above 'American Hardcore' and although it wasn't the "real" LA Guns it was still a good disc. Man was I wrong. It's terrible. Even my little pug was going crazy at one of the songs - the vocals in the chorus were mystifing his poor little head.

 

Marc Ferrari & friends - guest list ; I didn't realise those Cold Sweat left-overs were here. Those 2 songs are okay, and the sole reason I've held onto this disc - Plunkett's 'She don't wanna see me' is a gem... but the rest is a waste of space.

[Glen]

Journey - trial by fire ; what a waste. A strong starting set of tracks. If they'd kept this to a 10 track CD half would have been filler but it would have been a pretty good disc. As it is, there is just blatant slow, dreary filler after blatant slow, dreary filler. I don't know why they dragged this on for 14 songs. Overall, bad album.

 

That is the only Journey album I dont own and for good reason.

 

Id probably even rank 'Generations' above this.

 

As I said in another thread the Jap bonus song 'I Can See It In Your Eyes' absolutely kills any song on this album.

 

Even great groups have a turkey in their discography mate ;-))

[Jez]

Journey - trial by fire ; what a waste. A strong starting set of tracks. If they'd kept this to a 10 track CD half would have been filler but it would have been a pretty good disc. As it is, there is just blatant slow, dreary filler after blatant slow, dreary filler. I don't know why they dragged this on for 14 songs. Overall, bad album.

 

That is the only Journey album I dont own and for good reason.

 

Id probably even rank 'Generations' above this.

 

As I said in another thread the Jap bonus song 'I Can See It In Your Eyes' absolutely kills any song on this album.

 

Even great groups have a turkey in their discography mate ;-))

 

'Message Of Love' is a brilliant track for starters, so I think the 'Turkey' comment is way off in this case mate. It's certainly not their best album, but it sure ain't half bad either.

[Glen]

Journey - trial by fire ; what a waste. A strong starting set of tracks. If they'd kept this to a 10 track CD half would have been filler but it would have been a pretty good disc. As it is, there is just blatant slow, dreary filler after blatant slow, dreary filler. I don't know why they dragged this on for 14 songs. Overall, bad album.

 

That is the only Journey album I dont own and for good reason.

 

Id probably even rank 'Generations' above this.

 

As I said in another thread the Jap bonus song 'I Can See It In Your Eyes' absolutely kills any song on this album.

 

Even great groups have a turkey in their discography mate ;-))

 

'Message Of Love' is a brilliant track for starters, so I think the 'Turkey' comment is way off in this case mate. It's certainly not their best album, but it sure ain't half bad either.

 

OK, turkey may be a bit harsh.......but its a long long way off the quality of most of their other albums.......how's that?

[TIM (2)]

Journey - trial by fire ; what a waste. A strong starting set of tracks. If they'd kept this to a 10 track CD half would have been filler but it would have been a pretty good disc. As it is, there is just blatant slow, dreary filler after blatant slow, dreary filler. I don't know why they dragged this on for 14 songs. Overall, bad album.

 

That is the only Journey album I dont own and for good reason.

 

Id probably even rank 'Generations' above this.

 

As I said in another thread the Jap bonus song 'I Can See It In Your Eyes' absolutely kills any song on this album.

 

Even great groups have a turkey in their discography mate ;-))

 

'Message Of Love' is a brilliant track for starters, so I think the 'Turkey' comment is way off in this case mate. It's certainly not their best album, but it sure ain't half bad either.

 

 

OK, turkey may be a bit harsh.......but its a long long way off the quality of most of their other albums.......how's that?

 

There are some stunning solos on that album too - but yeah it's one I hardly every play...

[Geoff]

Journey - trial by fire ; what a waste. A strong starting set of tracks. If they'd kept this to a 10 track CD half would have been filler but it would have been a pretty good disc. As it is, there is just blatant slow, dreary filler after blatant slow, dreary filler. I don't know why they dragged this on for 14 songs. Overall, bad album.

 

That is the only Journey album I dont own and for good reason.

 

Id probably even rank 'Generations' above this.

 

As I said in another thread the Jap bonus song 'I Can See It In Your Eyes' absolutely kills any song on this album.

 

Even great groups have a turkey in their discography mate ;-))

 

'Message Of Love' is a brilliant track for starters, so I think the 'Turkey' comment is way off in this case mate. It's certainly not their best album, but it sure ain't half bad either.

 

 

OK, turkey may be a bit harsh.......but its a long long way off the quality of most of their other albums.......how's that?

 

There are some stunning solos on that album too - but yeah it's one I hardly every play...

In their defence - it's a bad album, but 'If he should break your heart' is the best song I have heard from Journey so far. I can say without a doubt that song alone has kept this CD in my collection far longer than it deserves.

[Glen]

Journey - trial by fire ; what a waste. A strong starting set of tracks. If they'd kept this to a 10 track CD half would have been filler but it would have been a pretty good disc. As it is, there is just blatant slow, dreary filler after blatant slow, dreary filler. I don't know why they dragged this on for 14 songs. Overall, bad album.

 

That is the only Journey album I dont own and for good reason.

 

Id probably even rank 'Generations' above this.

 

As I said in another thread the Jap bonus song 'I Can See It In Your Eyes' absolutely kills any song on this album.

 

Even great groups have a turkey in their discography mate ;-))

 

'Message Of Love' is a brilliant track for starters, so I think the 'Turkey' comment is way off in this case mate. It's certainly not their best album, but it sure ain't half bad either.

 

 

OK, turkey may be a bit harsh.......but its a long long way off the quality of most of their other albums.......how's that?

 

There are some stunning solos on that album too - but yeah it's one I hardly every play...

In their defence - it's a bad album, but 'If he should break your heart' is the best song I have heard from Journey so far. I can say without a doubt that song alone has kept this CD in my collection far longer than it deserves.

 

probably another pretty lonely opinion there mate.............

[heaven&hell]

Tim "Ripper" Owens - Play My Game

 

This was really dissapointing upon first spin but contined to get better with each additional spin.

After spinning this today for the first time in a couple of months I have to admit this is a damn good metal album with some killer songs and great guest guitar solos from the likes of Doug Aldrich, Chris Caffery, Bob Kulick, Carlos Cavazo and Michael Wilton. This is a grower.