FIREHOUSE, you are better than this

[Geoff]

another thing in the band's favor is that they can control the useage of these re-recorded songs. say for movies, commercials or tv. So I honestly see the point of them wanting that, I really do.

But let's be honest with ourselves. If a Firehouse song is used for a movie, commercial or TV (a HUUUUGE "if" in the first place), are the re-recorded songs released either independently, or on some tiny label going to be used, or are the songs that were commercial successes on a big label in the first place going to be used?

[66 mustang]

another thing in the band's favor is that they can control the useage of these re-recorded songs. say for movies, commercials or tv. So I honestly see the point of them wanting that, I really do.

But let's be honest with ourselves. If a Firehouse song is used for a movie, commercial or TV (a HUUUUGE "if" in the first place), are the re-recorded songs released either independently, or on some tiny label going to be used, or are the songs that were commercial successes on a big label in the first place going to be used?

 

probably comes down to the "who did they ask". If they ask the band then they will have material that they can say yes to without worring about record labels. If they go to the label the band is just out of luck. And it may come down also to the fact that the band may ask less for the use of the song and get more money than if the label gives the ok. I'm sure with some of these "retro" movies that have come out as of late Firehouse may have had a chance or will have a chance to get a song in a movie.

[Nightrain]

i'd say the best bet for them is to have 2CDs out like Journey did with Revelation, at least you can include 5 new songs, 5 rarities / outtakes / live / acoustic renditions in the first CD, and the second CD could be re-recorded songs. In this way, they have new album coming out as well as farming money from the old songs, and could be far more interesting for people to go buy this delicious package

[Geoff]

another thing in the band's favor is that they can control the useage of these re-recorded songs. say for movies, commercials or tv. So I honestly see the point of them wanting that, I really do.

But let's be honest with ourselves. If a Firehouse song is used for a movie, commercial or TV (a HUUUUGE "if" in the first place), are the re-recorded songs released either independently, or on some tiny label going to be used, or are the songs that were commercial successes on a big label in the first place going to be used?

 

probably comes down to the "who did they ask". If they ask the band then they will have material that they can say yes to without worring about record labels. If they go to the label the band is just out of luck. And it may come down also to the fact that the band may ask less for the use of the song and get more money than if the label gives the ok. I'm sure with some of these "retro" movies that have come out as of late Firehouse may have had a chance or will have a chance to get a song in a movie.

Do I need to point out that if that chance came up, one can only assume that for the purpose of a "retro" film they'd also use the "retro" version of the song?

 

Sorry mate, don't mean to sound cynical but I just truly cannot see one instance in the world where the re-recorded version would get picked by anyone for anything over the original recording.

[Evil Rick]

another thing in the band's favor is that they can control the useage of these re-recorded songs. say for movies, commercials or tv. So I honestly see the point of them wanting that, I really do.

But let's be honest with ourselves. If a Firehouse song is used for a movie, commercial or TV (a HUUUUGE "if" in the first place), are the re-recorded songs released either independently, or on some tiny label going to be used, or are the songs that were commercial successes on a big label in the first place going to be used?

ESPN used a Firehouse song off of Prime Time at the beginning of one of their weekly shows for quite a while a couple years back so it is possible to still get their music attached to some things.

[Captain Howdy]

another thing in the band's favor is that they can control the useage of these re-recorded songs. say for movies, commercials or tv. So I honestly see the point of them wanting that, I really do.

But let's be honest with ourselves. If a Firehouse song is used for a movie, commercial or TV (a HUUUUGE "if" in the first place), are the re-recorded songs released either independently, or on some tiny label going to be used, or are the songs that were commercial successes on a big label in the first place going to be used?

 

probably comes down to the "who did they ask". If they ask the band then they will have material that they can say yes to without worring about record labels. If they go to the label the band is just out of luck. And it may come down also to the fact that the band may ask less for the use of the song and get more money than if the label gives the ok. I'm sure with some of these "retro" movies that have come out as of late Firehouse may have had a chance or will have a chance to get a song in a movie.

Do I need to point out that if that chance came up, one can only assume that for the purpose of a "retro" film they'd also use the "retro" version of the song?

 

Sorry mate, don't mean to sound cynical but I just truly cannot see one instance in the world where the re-recorded version would get picked by anyone for anything over the original recording.

Well I have seen at least one compilation (funnily enough, from Australia) where its been 80s glam bands and every song chosen has been the original version, except the ones by LA Guns, where they were the re-records.

Obviously the label wanted the band on the compilation, and for whatever reason, Mercury either didnt want them to have the songs or wanted to much money, so the re-records were chosen.

Not only does it give creative and commercial control to the artist, it also gives other record labels, movies, tv and advertising companies a potentially cheaper option.

 

As for royalties. For bands like Firehouse, a yearly royalties cheque would probably be about $100 if they are lucky, as royalties payments really only work for either current artists or artists bigger than Jesus.

[Shawn Of Fire]

Geoff - I think the opposite is true...while message board diehards like us would want new music, the majority of thier MTV audience doesn't care and only wants the hits live. This way they can sell the hits to the fans at the shows who may not be bothered to go to Amazon to order one of the old albums. Its not like you can just walk into Walmart and find all the FireHouse albums...

[KIVELRECORDS]

another thing in the band's favor is that they can control the useage of these re-recorded songs. say for movies, commercials or tv. So I honestly see the point of them wanting that, I really do.

But let's be honest with ourselves. If a Firehouse song is used for a movie, commercial or TV (a HUUUUGE "if" in the first place), are the re-recorded songs released either independently, or on some tiny label going to be used, or are the songs that were commercial successes on a big label in the first place going to be used?

 

probably comes down to the "who did they ask". If they ask the band then they will have material that they can say yes to without worring about record labels. If they go to the label the band is just out of luck. And it may come down also to the fact that the band may ask less for the use of the song and get more money than if the label gives the ok. I'm sure with some of these "retro" movies that have come out as of late Firehouse may have had a chance or will have a chance to get a song in a movie.

Do I need to point out that if that chance came up, one can only assume that for the purpose of a "retro" film they'd also use the "retro" version of the song?

 

Sorry mate, don't mean to sound cynical but I just truly cannot see one instance in the world where the re-recorded version would get picked by anyone for anything over the original recording.

 

Hey Geoff

 

Not entirley true. Alot of times its easier and cheaper for a company to secure a alternate version of the orginal song. It's been done more times then you know, and you dont even realize it. In the movie MIB 2. They are playing a LIVE CONCERT version of SPEED DEMON by Keel in the post office scene. Not the orginal recorded version, but in fact a concert version! lol. There is a gain commercial running right now that uses Warrants Heaven. Which is not the orginal version. However in other cases. They do use the orginal recordings. So it can go either way. In the movie, the wrestler, FIREHOUSE had the orginal recording of DONT WALK AWAY in the strip bar scene. This also comes into play for dvd releases, Wrestling shows, tv shows etc etc. Sometimes the orginal broadcast will have the orginal song, but the dvd version may have a differant version or a differant song all together in its place due to the $$ to further extend the license.

[Doksdad]

another thing in the band's favor is that they can control the useage of these re-recorded songs. say for movies, commercials or tv. So I honestly see the point of them wanting that, I really do.

But let's be honest with ourselves. If a Firehouse song is used for a movie, commercial or TV (a HUUUUGE "if" in the first place), are the re-recorded songs released either independently, or on some tiny label going to be used, or are the songs that were commercial successes on a big label in the first place going to be used?

 

probably comes down to the "who did they ask". If they ask the band then they will have material that they can say yes to without worring about record labels. If they go to the label the band is just out of luck. And it may come down also to the fact that the band may ask less for the use of the song and get more money than if the label gives the ok. I'm sure with some of these "retro" movies that have come out as of late Firehouse may have had a chance or will have a chance to get a song in a movie.

Do I need to point out that if that chance came up, one can only assume that for the purpose of a "retro" film they'd also use the "retro" version of the song?

 

Sorry mate, don't mean to sound cynical but I just truly cannot see one instance in the world where the re-recorded version would get picked by anyone for anything over the original recording.

 

Hey Geoff

 

Not entirley true. Alot of times its easier and cheaper for a company to secure a alternate version of the orginal song. It's been done more times then you know, and you dont even realize it. In the movie MIB 2. They are playing a LIVE CONCERT version of SPEED DEMON by Keel in the post office scene. Not the orginal recorded version, but in fact a concert version! lol. There is a gain commercial running right now that uses Warrants Heaven. Which is not the orginal version. However in other cases. They do use the orginal recordings. So it can go either way. In the movie, the wrestler, FIREHOUSE had the orginal recording of DONT WALK AWAY in the strip bar scene. This also comes into play for dvd releases, Wrestling shows, tv shows etc etc. Sometimes the orginal broadcast will have the orginal song, but the dvd version may have a differant version or a differant song all together in its place due to the $$ to further extend the license.

You'll notice this when they play major movie pictures on television. The movie Slapshot for instance has a cool soundtrack but nary a song gets played when they happen to show it on cable.

[Evil Rick]

another thing in the band's favor is that they can control the useage of these re-recorded songs. say for movies, commercials or tv. So I honestly see the point of them wanting that, I really do.

But let's be honest with ourselves. If a Firehouse song is used for a movie, commercial or TV (a HUUUUGE "if" in the first place), are the re-recorded songs released either independently, or on some tiny label going to be used, or are the songs that were commercial successes on a big label in the first place going to be used?

 

probably comes down to the "who did they ask". If they ask the band then they will have material that they can say yes to without worring about record labels. If they go to the label the band is just out of luck. And it may come down also to the fact that the band may ask less for the use of the song and get more money than if the label gives the ok. I'm sure with some of these "retro" movies that have come out as of late Firehouse may have had a chance or will have a chance to get a song in a movie.

Do I need to point out that if that chance came up, one can only assume that for the purpose of a "retro" film they'd also use the "retro" version of the song?

 

Sorry mate, don't mean to sound cynical but I just truly cannot see one instance in the world where the re-recorded version would get picked by anyone for anything over the original recording.

 

Hey Geoff

 

Not entirley true. Alot of times its easier and cheaper for a company to secure a alternate version of the orginal song. It's been done more times then you know, and you dont even realize it. In the movie MIB 2. They are playing a LIVE CONCERT version of SPEED DEMON by Keel in the post office scene. Not the orginal recorded version, but in fact a concert version! lol. There is a gain commercial running right now that uses Warrants Heaven. Which is not the orginal version. However in other cases. They do use the orginal recordings. So it can go either way. In the movie, the wrestler, FIREHOUSE had the orginal recording of DONT WALK AWAY in the strip bar scene. This also comes into play for dvd releases, Wrestling shows, tv shows etc etc. Sometimes the orginal broadcast will have the orginal song, but the dvd version may have a differant version or a differant song all together in its place due to the $$ to further extend the license.

You'll notice this when they play major movie pictures on television. The movie Slapshot for instance has a cool soundtrack but nary a song gets played when they happen to show it on cable.

Same with Fast Times At Ridgemont High. The movie soundtrack is awesome but when they play it on cable the songs are all different and it really ruins the movie.

[Captain Howdy]

The soundtrack to Balls of fury is another sort of example of this. In the actual film there are several songs by Def Leppard, but on the soundtrack the songs are sung by either Loudlion or Jani Lane.

While all the other songs on the CD are the originals (which dont even appear in the film), for whatever reason, they couldnt or wouldnt use the original Leppard versions on the CD.

[heaven&hell]

another thing in the band's favor is that they can control the useage of these re-recorded songs. say for movies, commercials or tv. So I honestly see the point of them wanting that, I really do.

But let's be honest with ourselves. If a Firehouse song is used for a movie, commercial or TV (a HUUUUGE "if" in the first place), are the re-recorded songs released either independently, or on some tiny label going to be used, or are the songs that were commercial successes on a big label in the first place going to be used?

ESPN used a Firehouse song off of Prime Time at the beginning of one of their weekly shows for quite a while a couple years back so it is possible to still get their music attached to some things.

 

It was "Jumpin" and I about fell out of my chair when I heard it.

[66 mustang]

Jumpin is from O2, which I think is a really good album