Jump to content

Selling Out - Which Band Pissed You Off The Most?


heaven&hell
 Share

Recommended Posts

There were many of our fav bands that sometime in the 90's made "that" album.

You know the one that was so unlike their other albums that you had to check the disc two or three times to make sure it was the right band. I'm sure bands like Wildside, Warrant, D2, Queensryce and maybe even Dangerous Toys(WTF was that Artist Formerly Known As disc?) will get votes but:

 

 

For me it was DOKKEN with their Shit....I mean...."Shadow.......Life" release.

 

After the awesome "Dysfunctional" where they were able to mix together some newer influences but still have some of their signature sound they instead followed it up with this pile of crap. The other thing that pissed me off is how the band members would talk about how great it is but within 6 months George was out of the band and they all hated it and never liked it in the first place. So which one was it?

 

I will admit there was some good ballads thrown in and the song Pilson sang was good but the style was just so UN-Dokken.

 

 

Forgive me if we've done this thread, as I'm sure we have but I just can't remember for sure. :unsure:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 52
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Haha. I think I did a poll on this one. :lol:

 

It's hard to say which one pissed me off the most. Without exception, every single one pissed me off severely. If Slaughter, Bon Jovi, Tuff and several other bands who didn't sell out could do it, why the f*ck did all these other bands think they had to do it? So yeah, they all piss me off equally purely because they did it, but I guess the worst of the lot would have to be:

 

'Shadowlife' - Dokken

'Smoke this' - Lynch Mob

'Belly to Belly' - Warrant

's/t - Wildside

'Inwire' - Sven Gali

 

Especially Wildside and Sven Gali because they'd both just come off such killer debuts. Another one you could add to that list is Masquerade. Although 'Surface of pain' is easily one of the better sell out CDs, they'd also just released that killer debut.

 

Of them all, which were the least awful? Probably Warrant's 'Ultraphobic', Danger Danger's 'Dawn', PC69's 'Change', Masquerade's 'Surface of pain' and Dokken's 'Dysfunctional'... I guess?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

To me, its not so much that they "sold out", it's just that the albums mentioned just plain sucked. I know some are going to mention Def Leppard's "Slang". It is different but it is quite good. And it was a welcome change to all the shit out there, their own stuff included that sounded like "Hysteria". I never mind a band trying to change because then their sound doesn't grow stale. It's when what they release just plain sucks. That pisses me off....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Metallica's LOAD, RELOAD and ST. ANGER pissed me off so much that I wouldn't have pissed on Lars Ulrich if he were on fire.

 

Helloween totally lost the plot with PINK BUBBLES GO APE and especially CHAMELEON. Thank God they gave Kiske the Froot Loop his walking papers after that pair of albums.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Haha. I think I did a poll on this one. :lol:

 

It's hard to say which one pissed me off the most. Without exception, every single one pissed me off severely. If Slaughter, Bon Jovi, Tuff and several other bands who didn't sell out could do it, why the f*ck did all these other bands think they had to do it? So yeah, they all piss me off equally purely because they did it, but I guess the worst of the lot would have to be:

 

'Shadowlife' - Dokken

'Smoke this' - Lynch Mob

'Belly to Belly' - Warrant

's/t - Wildside

'Inwire' - Sven Gali

 

Especially Wildside and Sven Gali because they'd both just come off such killer debuts. Another one you could add to that list is Masquerade. Although 'Surface of pain' is easily one of the better sell out CDs, they'd also just released that killer debut.

 

Of them all, which were the least awful? Probably Warrant's 'Ultraphobic', Danger Danger's 'Dawn', PC69's 'Change', Masquerade's 'Surface of pain' and Dokken's 'Dysfunctional'... I guess?

 

I don't see 'Dysfunctional' as sell out at all not when you consider 'Shadowlife'.

 

'Ultraphobic' kicked ass and at least had that heaviness of 'Dog Eat Dog'. Sure it might of been seen as a little grungy in places but it still had a bunch of good tunes IMO and wasn't nearly as left field as 'Belly' was.

 

I'm probably alone but I quite enjoyed D2's 'Dawn' and PC69's 'Change'.

I guess those two would be considered, by me at least, two of the better albums that were perceived as sell out releases.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Metallica's LOAD, RELOAD and ST. ANGER pissed me off so much that I wouldn't have pissed on Lars Ulrich if he were on fire.

 

Helloween totally lost the plot with PINK BUBBLES GO APE and especially CHAMELEON. Thank God they gave Kiske the Froot Loop his walking papers after that pair of albums.

 

To be honest I would of rather Metallica made RE-Loaded Again(or whatever clever title they could of came up with) than release that pile of crap that is 'St Anger'. I appreciated them trying to play fast again but the strange barking vocals, odd lyrics, no guitar solos and horrible garage style production made that disc one of the worst in my collection. Hell I don't even know why I still have it. It must be the completest in me. :lol:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Haha. I think I did a poll on this one. :lol:

 

It's hard to say which one pissed me off the most. Without exception, every single one pissed me off severely. If Slaughter, Bon Jovi, Tuff and several other bands who didn't sell out could do it, why the f*ck did all these other bands think they had to do it? So yeah, they all piss me off equally purely because they did it, but I guess the worst of the lot would have to be:

 

'Shadowlife' - Dokken

'Smoke this' - Lynch Mob

'Belly to Belly' - Warrant

's/t - Wildside

'Inwire' - Sven Gali

 

Especially Wildside and Sven Gali because they'd both just come off such killer debuts. Another one you could add to that list is Masquerade. Although 'Surface of pain' is easily one of the better sell out CDs, they'd also just released that killer debut.

 

Of them all, which were the least awful? Probably Warrant's 'Ultraphobic', Danger Danger's 'Dawn', PC69's 'Change', Masquerade's 'Surface of pain' and Dokken's 'Dysfunctional'... I guess?

 

I don't see 'Dysfunctional' as sell out at all not when you consider 'Shadowlife'.

 

'Ultraphobic' kicked ass and at least had that heaviness of 'Dog Eat Dog'. Sure it might of been seen as a little grungy in places but it still had a bunch of good tunes IMO and wasn't nearly as left field as 'Belly' was.

 

I'm probably alone but I quite enjoyed D2's 'Dawn' and PC69's 'Change'.

I guess those two would be considered, by me at least, two of the better albums that were perceived as sell out releases.

No doubt about it, cousin. As decent as a few of the albums are, there's no doubt at all in my mind they're sell-out releases anyway. Simple fact is that if grunge was not selling at the time, do you honestly think any of these bands would have made CDs that sound like these? I certainly don't.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

WARRANT "Ultraphobic" (technically "Belly To Belly" was worse, but this was the sellout album)

EUROPE "Start From The Dark" (This band are a joke)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

EUROPE "Start From The Dark" (This band are a joke)

Yeah, ones like that are even more pathetic. It's as if they're living in their own moronic world where they think it's 1995 and they need to record f*cking garbage to stay 'current'... even though everyone else know's the moment's already been and gone. Quite shameful, really.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

EUROPE "Start From The Dark" (This band are a joke)

Yeah, ones like that are even more pathetic. It's as if they're living in their own moronic world where they think it's 1995 and they need to record f*cking garbage to stay 'current'... even though everyone else know's the moment's already been and gone. Quite shameful, really.

 

I thought you liked that album?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

EUROPE "Start From The Dark" (This band are a joke)

Yeah, ones like that are even more pathetic. It's as if they're living in their own moronic world where they think it's 1995 and they need to record f*cking garbage to stay 'current'... even though everyone else know's the moment's already been and gone. Quite shameful, really.

 

I thought you liked that album?

I tolerate parts of it, just like I do the majority of these sell-out discs, bar the 5 I mentioned.

 

But to put it in perspective, 'Prisoners in paradise' is one of the best CDs I have ever heard in my entire life. I have listened to 'Start from the dark' a few times, but each time is a chore and it's not something I ever look forward to, despite a few decent songs. All three of their sell-out albums have listenable parts, but to say they're even 100th of what the band has done and what they are/were capable of is nothing but a complete lie.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Being a HUGE Dangerous Toys and Shotgun Messiah fan back in the day I was really sort of ticked when "The R-tist 4-merly Known As Dangerous Toys" and "Violent New Breed" came out with that industrial metal sound.

 

Some of the songs on the DT release grew on me a little....I said a little, not much....a little. The only tune on Violent New Breed that I could tolerate was Rain. For how good these guys were at what they did on their previous releases, I was disappointed to say the least.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

KISS - Carnival of Souls

Extreme - Waiting for the Punchline

Van Halen - III

Queensryche - Promised Land

 

I don't think VH sold out with III I just don't think it was very good overall and the production sucked to make it worse. To be honest I don't think Gary Cherone was a bad choice for singer at all but for some reason Eddie and him didn't seem to come up with to many good songs. Of course as a fan we also had to deal with him not being Sammy or Dave which isn't fair to Gary but it's just the way it is.

 

I never got that Extreme disc it just didn't make sense to me at all. I had read all of these great reviews so I bought it and I just never enjoyed it much.

 

I'm probably alone but I always liked that Kiss disc. Sure it's grungy as hell but I loved it when Kiss tried to get heavy.

 

I hated the Queensryche when I first got it but years later I don't mind it. It still pales in comparison to the first 5 releases IMO but it's not near as bad when you take into consideration what has come since.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Warrant stuck a knife in my heart when they released Belly II Belly. I was such a huge fan and so looking forward to that album, even with the warning signs evident on Ultraphobic, and then the delays and finally it came out and I rushed down to the store and picked it up the first day it came in and I played it and...

 

...man I fucking hate Nirvana.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Being a HUGE Dangerous Toys and Shotgun Messiah fan back in the day I was really sort of ticked when "The R-tist 4-merly Known As Dangerous Toys" and "Violent New Breed" came out with that industrial metal sound.

 

Some of the songs on the DT release grew on me a little....I said a little, not much....a little. The only tune on Violent New Breed that I could tolerate was Rain. For how good these guys were at what they did on their previous releases, I was disappointed to say the least.

 

Backed on both although I have played that SM quite a bit over the years.

 

The DT just threw me for a loop on first listen and I did give it multiple chances but it never really could grow on me.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Being a HUGE Dangerous Toys and Shotgun Messiah fan back in the day I was really sort of ticked when "The R-tist 4-merly Known As Dangerous Toys" and "Violent New Breed" came out with that industrial metal sound.

 

Some of the songs on the DT release grew on me a little....I said a little, not much....a little. The only tune on Violent New Breed that I could tolerate was Rain. For how good these guys were at what they did on their previous releases, I was disappointed to say the least.

 

Backed on both although I have played that SM quite a bit over the years.

 

The DT just threw me for a loop on first listen and I did give it multiple chances but it never really could grow on me.

 

Love 'Violent New Breed' , it still gets regular airplay from me.....and once again in the minority, I really liked the DT release when it came out, it was completely different from anything I'd heard before although I rarely listen to it today....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'll probably get flayed alive for this but I have never understood all the hate for Warrant's ULTRAPHOBIC. I think that's a pretty damn solid rock record. Sure, it's no CHERRY PIE but then neither was DOG EAT DOG. I always felt ULTRA was kinda like the next logical step from the harder-edged, more serious minded material from the DOG EAT DOG album.

 

Now, BELLY II BELLY on the other hand, that was an abomination that should never have been released upon mankind. :puke:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

To me, its not so much that they "sold out", it's just that the albums mentioned just plain sucked. I know some are going to mention Def Leppard's "Slang". It is different but it is quite good. And it was a welcome change to all the shit out there, their own stuff included that sounded like "Hysteria". I never mind a band trying to change because then their sound doesn't grow stale. It's when what they release just plain sucks. That pisses me off....

 

 

Agree to this one. Most of the titles mentioned here just plain suck. And I won't call it Selling Out. What do you think they were thinking when these bands recorded their best albums, of course they're hoping that this one will be their biggest selling album. They're not doing it just to die poor.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Being a HUGE Dangerous Toys and Shotgun Messiah fan back in the day I was really sort of ticked when "The R-tist 4-merly Known As Dangerous Toys" and "Violent New Breed" came out with that industrial metal sound.

 

Some of the songs on the DT release grew on me a little....I said a little, not much....a little. The only tune on Violent New Breed that I could tolerate was Rain. For how good these guys were at what they did on their previous releases, I was disappointed to say the least.

 

Backed on both although I have played that SM quite a bit over the years.

 

The DT just threw me for a loop on first listen and I did give it multiple chances but it never really could grow on me.

 

Love 'Violent New Breed' , it still gets regular airplay from me.....and once again in the minority, I really liked the DT release when it came out, it was completely different from anything I'd heard before although I rarely listen to it today....

I thought the Dangerous Toys CD was total garbage, but not one of the worst sell-out CDs. But I kind of agree on Shotgun Messiah. I'd heard the song 'I'm a gun' in a bodyboarding video way back in the day and always thought it was a really cool song. Following their excellent 2nd album there's no doubt in the world that the album was a disappointment, but in time it's easily one of sell-out CDs that grew on me the most. Some great tunes on there.

 

I forgot about KISS - 'Carnival of Souls', but yeah, that's definitely one of the worst ever. Hate that disc.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'll probably get flayed alive for this but I have never understood all the hate for Warrant's ULTRAPHOBIC. I think that's a pretty damn solid rock record. Sure, it's no CHERRY PIE but then neither was DOG EAT DOG. I always felt ULTRA was kinda like the next logical step from the harder-edged, more serious minded material from the DOG EAT DOG album.

 

Now, BELLY II BELLY on the other hand, that was an abomination that should never have been released upon mankind. :puke:

Ultraphobic had it's moments. It also had some not so great moments as well. But to followup such a great album as Dog Eat Dog I consider it a major letdown.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'll probably get flayed alive for this but I have never understood all the hate for Warrant's ULTRAPHOBIC. I think that's a pretty damn solid rock record. Sure, it's no CHERRY PIE but then neither was DOG EAT DOG. I always felt ULTRA was kinda like the next logical step from the harder-edged, more serious minded material from the DOG EAT DOG album.

 

Now, BELLY II BELLY on the other hand, that was an abomination that should never have been released upon mankind. :puke:

Ultraphobic had it's moments. It also had some not so great moments as well. But to followup such a great album as Dog Eat Dog I consider it a major letdown.

Yeah, backed. I grew to like 'Ultraphobic' too, over many, many years. But I agree with Rick. They were in an amazing place with 'Dog Eat Dog' and 'Ultraphobic' was a gigantic step back, by anyone's standards.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Being a HUGE Dangerous Toys and Shotgun Messiah fan back in the day I was really sort of ticked when "The R-tist 4-merly Known As Dangerous Toys" and "Violent New Breed" came out with that industrial metal sound.

 

Some of the songs on the DT release grew on me a little....I said a little, not much....a little. The only tune on Violent New Breed that I could tolerate was Rain. For how good these guys were at what they did on their previous releases, I was disappointed to say the least.

 

Backed on both although I have played that SM quite a bit over the years.

 

The DT just threw me for a loop on first listen and I did give it multiple chances but it never really could grow on me.

Love 'Violent New Breed' , it still gets regular airplay from me.....and once again in the minority, I really liked the DT release when it came out, it was completely different from anything I'd heard before although I rarely listen to it today....

 

:tumbsup: Couldn't agree more...When that cd came out I was on a serious industrial kick (Godflesh, Skinny Puppy, KMFDM) so I was blown away...seemed to me like just a natural progression for this band knowing Tim Skold's influences...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share


  • 2021 HH Donation Drive

    Please support Heavy Harmonies! The donations goal is the out-of-pocket expenses to run the main site and this board for calendar year 2021.



    76% of donation goal reached.
    Donate Sidebar by DevFuse
  • Posts

    • Ok Cody, It was 41 vs 330. It's now 63 vs 335, so we're making ground, but you need to fire up and make some contributions. It's your thread and that's what you're hanging by at the moment with the big guy.
    • George W Bush's Grandfather (Aleister) got it. Charlie didn't get it, but his heart was in the right place.       
    • A little sumthin sumthin from the coolest band east of the Rockies.    Show them some well deserved lovin' fellas!   FuZZrd thanks readers w/an advance download of “Pins & Needles” from their debut LP Near Life Experience being released globally December 10, 2021. From Steve Karas (w/slight edits): FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE December 3, 2021 FuZZrd's debut studio album: Near Life Experience available December 10, 2021 Download “PINS & NEEDLES” Here: https://www.fuzzrd.com/sleazeroxx/ Album teaser video: https://bit.ly/FuZZrdAlbumTeaser Pre-order: https://fuzzrd.limitedrun.com/ Upcoming live show at Minneapolis’ The Southern Theatre December 11, 2021 –  https://southerntheater.org/ Minneapolis, MN – FuZZrd would like to share their gratitude to the sites readers and presents a free download of the song “Pins & Needles” in advance of the band’s debut studio album Near Life Experience which is being released on December 10, 2021. To access the free download or preview the song, click here: https://www.fuzzrd.com/sleazeroxx/.   FuZZrd guitarist and vocalist Brett Petrusek shares, “Pins and Needles is a personal favorite. It's a song about loss and the overwhelming feeling of anxiety that can often ensue. If you've ever felt so wound up that your skin is crawling you may relate. For me, it's sonically intriguing, it's mysterious and the chorus hits just right. It's wickedly fun to play on guitar, too!" The debut album can be pre-ordered at a discounted price here: https://fuzzrd.limitedrun.com. The band will perform the day following release day alongside Johnny O' Neil (of Dare Force fame) and up and comers, The Issue at The Southern Theatre in Minneapolis, MN. Tickets for the appearance can be purchased by visiting https://southerntheater.org/. Petrusek reflects, “I'm so very proud of what we have accomplished this past year. It's gratifying to see and hear Near Life Experience in its completed form. It's a powerhouse and definitely fits in the category of ‘album I've always wanted to make’. The chemistry with our producer Jeremy Tappero continued to flourish and we all grew as musicians. I love the songs and sound we've created. It's fresh, and new, and noticeably doesn't chase trends. It stays true to its heavy rock roots. It's so awesome to be a part of FuZZrd coming to life, playing live shows, and sharing our music. The whole of what we have created is truly rewarding. I'm totally grateful to have this group." Bassist and background vocalist Robert Berg states, “Substance of structure. A collection of songs that in my view captures what's truly important for fans of multigenerational hard rock. I love the upfront guitars and inspired solos. There's a maturity in the vocal melodies that catapults the meaningful lyrical content. It was inspiring to witness. Every member brought what was necessary; when necessary. I believe we just barely dipped our toes into what's possible with our current guitar duo's musical chemistry. Special, special, special thanks to Producer Jeremy Tappero. I tell him all the time that my favorite moments in life are sitting in the chair next to him and laying it down. He's a true mentor who seemingly always knows what's right for the band. Brett is quite forward thinking and never short of ideas. FuZZrd will build on the experience and continue to make the rock pound." Guitarist and background vocalist Eric Fairchild offers, “Discovering the chemistry and camaraderie of FuZZrd has been the highlight of a truly chaotic year and a half. Being able to connect and collaborate on new music has been so fulfilling. I’m really proud of the work we’ve put in, and the album that has emerged as a result. The songs on Near Life Experience have been able to capture so many feelings that have been otherwise difficult to express. Plus, it’s always fun to tear it up on the guitar! I’m thrilled to get these songs in front of audiences, and continue to build on what we’ve started." Drummer Scott Savage adds, "I could not be happier with the new record; and it could not have happened without everyone’s dedication and hard work. It’s so gratifying to have this finished product and be able to share with everyone! I’m so proud of my band mates and what we have accomplished. We are definitely fired up about what the future holds for us!" For more information contact: Steve Karas SKH Music -  skaras@skhmusic.com
    • I'm digging this song.  Good stuff.  Background vocals don't bother me at all here.
    • Yeah, my apologies for not checking there first.  Figured H.E.A.T fans that frequent this section would be interested.
    • Four By Four - Backyard Babies
    • Demon Disease - Loudness
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.