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About Me: Kenny Ortiz/Your Artist Unknown/cdbaby.com

Hi!

My name is Ken Ortiz.

AKA Kenny Michaels

Here I go again.....defending myself.

 

Please don't buy the Departure Debut CD.

You can probably download it for free somewhere.

Then donate that money to a good cause instead.

A lot of people have been marginalized, abused, and ripped off by this Mike Walsh.

Especially me...Ken Ortiz.

I've tried to reason with this Mike Walsh.

But to no avail.

I've tried to move on.

Also....to no avail.

 

I will never promote it.That Departure CD ESMO28.

Or even sing those songs in the format in which they promote....Ever !

That's not a slight to anyone.

After all the BS.

It's just not in my heart to do so.I thought I could finally move on.

Apparantly not.

Read my Story on Melodicrock.com and the Muzic Forums titled "Departure Fiasco" and check out the despicable lies on You Tube under the "All So Easy" and "The Way You Show Your Love" cut.

Oh and yes I do expect more lies, abuse and name calling from certain Mike Walsh clan members. They will call me or infer that; I'm everything from a murderer to a scumbag to an ungrateful child. Just to name a few.

 

Yet somehow...while being all these horrible things. They found a use for me for years,and forget all the hard work I put into those songs. As well as the turmoil and sacrifice, to write and sing such personal stuff like that.

It all ended up being, unrewarded.

Originally, I got credit in text only.

Now supposedly I did not even write the Bitter Rage ?....LOL.

Sad but true...I just wanted them to come to some fair arbitration.

Even Today...I say make me some offer and stop the name calling.

For it's just a smoke screen.

They would rather attack... verbally bait me.

So when I respond.

They become the victim's and claim I owe them the world and they are so hurt.

As a result they can do or say anything they want.

So... they end up acting like contestant's on the Jerry Springer Show.

I wish them no ill will but they claim ,I will not let go of the past.

What !....WTF !

 

It's been well over a year since I've had anything to say to anyone regarding this issue.

Why was I able to move on ?

Because Escape Music Ltd. deleted it from their files.(thank you).

And NEH records removed it from their roster.(once again,thank you).

That's all I wanted.

As a result;I thought all was quiet on the western front.

Even with their continued clandestine sales on e-bay and several obscure european and asian websites.(Big deal).

Yet when it looks like things are quieting down.

Where maybe we can all move on.

They stir it up again and attack first!

On myspace....then on youtube.

Is this some lame marketing ploy ?

Go figure.

I thought I put this issue behind me.

If they are not going to ever resolve it.

Then so be it.

Don't throw salt in and old wound then claim you are the victims.

While continuing to sell the cd in question, outside of escape and neh.

And I won't move on ?

Pfffft !

I have moved on.

I have gone solo.

I have no delusions predicated on my ego.

I have forgiven them for their greed.

But I must not forget the lesson's learned.

 

Dear Mr. Khalil Turk of Escape Music Ltd.

You have no idea what you have put me through with these people.

I respectfully submit that you created a monster with this Departure Fiasco.

I am to the point where I do not give a shite what is said or thought about me.

For I have survived worse.

And know for a fact...that I am a good person.

Despite the lies.

Despite the inuendos about my mental health.

My so-called ungratefullness.

Yes sir Mr. Turk. I still have the original e-mail where you claim I have a personality complex....When I brought to your attention, my displeasure over how Mike duped me.

It's very sad how things have turned out.

 

For those who don't know me....

I thought I should respond one last time, and clear the air.

So to speak.

Best wishes to all.

And I sincerely include the Mike Walsh clan and Escape Music ltd. in that regard.

 

Thanks,

Ken O

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Uhhhh...okay. I hope someoene else here has an idea of what you're talkin' about, buddy. I sure don't.

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ok... i just check out the MR thread

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=37220

.... and my first question....

 

Straight from your post...

 

"The copy rights as well as the credits on the CD clearly state that I am the Author of Words and Music"

 

but then this

 

"What was expected of me was to finish the vocals on some remastered tracks.

And so I did. "

 

 

So the way i read this , someone (M Walsh or K Turk) asked you to do the vocals on some tracks. How does this make you the copyright holder?

 

Aren't you inferring by saying this that they are not your tracks, but you are doing guest vocals for them?

 

 

DId you write the songs and the music? Or did they. I can't understand you you can claim they are yours if they simply asked you do do some vocals on some pre-exisitng tracks (which is how i read you post). Or were they your tracks from previous sessions with M Walsh?

 

'm a bit confused....

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I got bored of reading that ramble real quick. If you could have summarised that down into a single paragraph or just a line or two I might have got something out of it.

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:unsure::blink:

 

Uhhhh...okay. I hope someoene else here has an idea of what you're talkin' about, buddy. I sure don't.

 

 

 

 

 

Well...not everyone knows the story, or even cares to know it.

If interested read on.

If not .....OK.

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I got bored of reading that ramble real quick. If you could have summarised that down into a single paragraph or just a line or two I might have got something out of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well... please understand.

I'm trying to put this issue to bed for good.

It's meant to reach a targeted audience.

So...if I bore you. My apologies.

Simply move on and have a great day !

It's a lot of emotional stuff jammed in a few paragraphs.

Hence....the so called ramblin.

Any way. I'll dumb it down for those who may not know the issue at hand.

Record man and friend from past said you got record deal.

You good singer.

Wow thanks...me excited and trust you.

Me sing.....record man and friend from past say thanks and F*&^! you very much!

There's a hell of a lot more to it.

But like you said ...you got bored, quick.

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Record man and friend from past said you got record deal.

You good singer.

Wow thanks...me excited and trust you.

Me sing.....record man and friend from past say thanks and F*&^! you very much!

 

See, now this I understand.

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I bought that album when it came out back in the day....good album!

 

Escape was putting out some killer stuff back then.

 

 

 

 

 

I think it's great you enjoyed it.

There are a lot of great musicians on it.

I thought Mike and Bobby did a fantastic job salvaging those old tracks from the shelf.

Then turning it into a cd.

But unfortunately that was not the issue.

I got so disgusted with the politics and the pretentious crap involved with Escape and Mike that I have never appreciated the roster of music Escape put out.

Maybe I'll check it out someday.

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Record man and friend from past said you got record deal.

You good singer.

Wow thanks...me excited and trust you.

Me sing.....record man and friend from past say thanks and F*&^! you very much!

 

See, now this I understand.

 

 

 

Um...ok ...roger that ...lol.

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ok... i just check out the MR thread

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=37220

.... and my first question....

 

Straight from your post...

 

"The copy rights as well as the credits on the CD clearly state that I am the Author of Words and Music"

 

but then this

 

"What was expected of me was to finish the vocals on some remastered tracks.

And so I did. "

 

 

So the way i read this , someone (M Walsh or K Turk) asked you to do the vocals on some tracks. How does this make you the copyright holder?

 

Aren't you inferring by saying this that they are not your tracks, but you are doing guest vocals for them?

 

 

DId you write the songs and the music? Or did they. I can't understand you you can claim they are yours if they simply asked you do do some vocals on some pre-exisitng tracks (which is how i read you post). Or were they your tracks from previous sessions with M Walsh?

 

'm a bit confused....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So the way i read this , someone (M Walsh or K Turk) asked you to do the vocals on some tracks. How does this make you the copyright holder?

 

Something is lost in the shuffle here.

Bare with me.

The issue with singing on some old tracks, and being compensated as a performer,are seperate issues from the copyright issues.

 

I was trying to establish that not only was I not compensated for my performance as a singer.

I was not compensated for half the songs on that cd.Which I co-wrote on.

Two examples in contrast:

1. "The Bitter Rage" - My song...My Idea....My personal stuff.

Which started with a moving melody I could sing while fleshing out with Lyrics.Establishing hooks and motifs to enhance the lyrical content with a specific arrangement in mind.

But as the Musician, of course Mike should share in the arrangement and his musical inprint(signature on the song). 50/50.

 

2. "Searchin" - Mikes song...Mikes Music.

A complexed and fast moving song.

Which he himself told me presented a lyrical problem.

He presented a musical bed to me (just musical tracks).

So I wrote all lyrics and moving melody in the vocals.

And had input in the arragement....specifically in what I wanted to do with the bridge.

So as a singer/songwriter I should share in the arrangement and the inprint (signature of the song)50/50

He gave me plenty of latitude there.

And he seemed happy with the result just as I was happy with the result in the Bitter Rage.

Although there were a few tense moments....no big deal.

 

So my point is when looking at the cd it always says Walsh /Ortiz on the songs we wrote together.

Yet at least 4 of those songs were my ideas presented to him.

So the Copyright says or should say Ortiz/Walsh.

Where 2 should say Walsh/Hackett/Ortiz.

And the other songs obviously are Walsh/and other Co-Authors.

I was simply trying to establish that I was not compensated for performing as well as residual royalties.

What ever they may be.

This is the dialogeue I should have been able to have with Escape and Walsh years ago.

But to no avail.

Believe me it it gets even more complicated.

Because of Egos and Money.

Consequently the emotional tangent and horrible name calling on both sides.

Not to mention the new ploy where supposedly I had help from his sister writing a very personal song that she had nothing to do with.

Especially since it was a combination of two songs I wrote. Whereas I created a very melodic and somber hybrid. The Bitter Rage ... "Diamond In The Rough" was done in NYC and performed with a group called METROPOLIS back in 1983.

I use to do it at a club on west 72nd st. called TRAX all the time.

Before I met Mike and his band whose ass I kicked in the Battle of the Bands in Sayerville N.J.

Maybe that's why he won't pay me ...who knows.

OK...I'm just trying to add a little levity there at the end.

Please forgive any errors .

I did not use spell check.

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I got bored of reading that ramble real quick. If you could have summarised that down into a single paragraph or just a line or two I might have got something out of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well... please understand.

I'm trying to put this issue to bed for good.

It's meant to reach a targeted audience.

So...if I bore you. My apologies.

Simply move on and have a great day !

It's a lot of emotional stuff jammed in a few paragraphs.

Hence....the so called ramblin.

Any way. I'll dumb it down for those who may not know the issue at hand.

Record man and friend from past said you got record deal.

You good singer.

Wow thanks...me excited and trust you.

Me sing.....record man and friend from past say thanks and F*&^! you very much!

There's a hell of a lot more to it.

But like you said ...you got bored, quick.

 

Ok got it now. Sorry things didn't work out.

And don't worry, I've been known to ramble about certain topics too :D

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Hope everything works out for you mate as it's a bitch to put your heart and soul into something and just recieve a slap in the face for your efforts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks bangerdave,

I really appreciate the comment.

I'm good to go and ready to move on with my solo stuff.

I finished a modest sounding cd on a modest budge not too long ago.

Just enjoying the ride this time.

No need to try and be a Rock Star.Nuttin wrong with that though.

Just enjoy making music.

 

Best wishes to you and yours.

:)

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I got bored of reading that ramble real quick. If you could have summarised that down into a single paragraph or just a line or two I might have got something out of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well... please understand.

I'm trying to put this issue to bed for good.

It's meant to reach a targeted audience.

So...if I bore you. My apologies.

Simply move on and have a great day !

It's a lot of emotional stuff jammed in a few paragraphs.

Hence....the so called ramblin.

Any way. I'll dumb it down for those who may not know the issue at hand.

Record man and friend from past said you got record deal.

You good singer.

Wow thanks...me excited and trust you.

Me sing.....record man and friend from past say thanks and F*&^! you very much!

There's a hell of a lot more to it.

But like you said ...you got bored, quick.

 

Ok got it now. Sorry things didn't work out.

And don't worry, I've been known to ramble about certain topics too :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's all good.

I know I came out of left field with this .

Especially since I'm new here.

Just doin what I gotta do .

Hoping for a resolution someday.

So thanks a bunch for the words faranheit.

 

I would'nt mind hangin here on HH for awhile.....:)

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I got bored of reading that ramble real quick. If you could have summarised that down into a single paragraph or just a line or two I might have got something out of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well... please understand.

I'm trying to put this issue to bed for good.

It's meant to reach a targeted audience.

So...if I bore you. My apologies.

Simply move on and have a great day !

It's a lot of emotional stuff jammed in a few paragraphs.

Hence....the so called ramblin.

Any way. I'll dumb it down for those who may not know the issue at hand.

Record man and friend from past said you got record deal.

You good singer.

Wow thanks...me excited and trust you.

Me sing.....record man and friend from past say thanks and F*&^! you very much!

There's a hell of a lot more to it.

But like you said ...you got bored, quick.

 

Ok got it now. Sorry things didn't work out.

And don't worry, I've been known to ramble about certain topics too :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's all good.

I know I came out of left field with this .

Especially since I'm new here.

Just doin what I gotta do .

Hoping for a resolution someday.

So thanks a bunch for the words faranheit.

 

I would'nt mind hangin here on HH for awhile.....:)

I have nothing to say.

But i wanted to reply anyway.

I like that you post your posts like song lyrics or poetry.

Thats all.

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I got bored of reading that ramble real quick. If you could have summarised that down into a single paragraph or just a line or two I might have got something out of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well... please understand.

I'm trying to put this issue to bed for good.

It's meant to reach a targeted audience.

So...if I bore you. My apologies.

Simply move on and have a great day !

It's a lot of emotional stuff jammed in a few paragraphs.

Hence....the so called ramblin.

Any way. I'll dumb it down for those who may not know the issue at hand.

Record man and friend from past said you got record deal.

You good singer.

Wow thanks...me excited and trust you.

Me sing.....record man and friend from past say thanks and F*&^! you very much!

There's a hell of a lot more to it.

But like you said ...you got bored, quick.

 

Ok got it now. Sorry things didn't work out.

And don't worry, I've been known to ramble about certain topics too :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's all good.

I know I came out of left field with this .

Especially since I'm new here.

Just doin what I gotta do .

Hoping for a resolution someday.

So thanks a bunch for the words faranheit.

 

I would'nt mind hangin here on HH for awhile.....:)

I have nothing to say.

But i wanted to reply anyway.

I like that you post your posts like song lyrics or poetry.

Thats all.

 

 

 

 

 

Wow.....interesting observation phaffas!

I think I was subconsciously adding flair to my ramblin, so as not to bore anybody.

I think !...lol

Well whatta ya know....I'm a poet and didn't even know it.....:P

I swear....you learn something new about yerself every day.

Thanks for the insight.

I kid you not....I had no idea.

Sincerely,

Ken O.

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Ahh!

 

Welcome Kenny!!

 

Get a beer and pull up a seat.. :blink:

 

You don't have any sharp objects on you, do you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who do you think I am ? Crocodile Dundee?

LOL......Nope! No sharp objects.

Just a few horshoes and hand grenades in my wallet.

Just in case.

Since there are quite a few Aussies here.

I'm gonna rough it.

I'll have a Fosters for Beer Mate....and sit on a stump.

To honor the locals for their hospitality.Everyone thus far has been really cool...:)

Hope I aint layin it on a little too thick though...Am I ?

Hey is the outback their version of Mcdonalds ?

Just wonderin....:P

 

Seriously though....Nice to meet you CD !

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Welcome aboard Kenny, enjoy your time with the good people here. :drink:

 

I got the Departure cd when it came out aswell and really like it :gone:;)

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Welcome aboard Kenny, enjoy your time with the good people here. :drink:

 

I got the Departure cd when it came out aswell and really like it :gone:;)

 

 

 

 

Thanks Jez.

I appreciate the hospitality !

I'm gonna check out your site more thoroughly later tonight.

I glanced over it quickly.

Pretty Cool...what I saw.

Forgive my ignorance,but I was wondering if you know html or if that is one of those website hosts. Are you happy with them ?

Please let me know.

Thanks.

 

Best wishes to you and yours....:)

 

Ken O.

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