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Haha, both of your are funny, mates. Love your eternal disagreements nearly about everything here. Kind regards both, pals.

This one has grown on me, though I still consider it below their other 3, but now just a bit. BTW, "Strangled" is a fuc*ing monster track.

Brother Firetribe climbs over Lionville to my 5th position: Tokyo Motor Fist Eclipse One Desire Jim Jidhed Brother Firetribe

I'm with you (though saying 'far better' maybe is too much). I like more Hurt and Apologize.

What? You don't know this band???? Jez, you *need* to listen their 3 previous albums, mate, trust me. Break Out (2006) Heart Full Of Fire (2008) Diamond In The Firepit (2014) Diamond is my fav from them, Love that album! Yep, very good indeed, mate. Mine is Heart Full Of Fire, but all those 3 are very close.

Lol again, I haven't said that, Sexy G ; just that Glen seems to think his method (trimmed mean, trimming lowest values) is the best possible or at least better than yours (simple arithmetic mean). What I'm saying is only that his method is just as good (or bad) as yours. Every averaging method has pros and cons because in fact it's a way of losing info ('summarize' the dataset with only one number). Hence, how we chose to lose it is a totally arbitrary choice of us. No more, no less. Back on topic for me.

What? You don't know this band???? Jez, you *need* to listen their 3 previous albums, mate, trust me. Break Out (2006) Heart Full Of Fire (2008) Diamond In The Firepit (2014)

Yep, there are some tracks sounding like a modern Survivor 'Eye of the tiger' (rock-sport song par excellence). But IMO this is their weakest album by far. I'm *not* saying it's bad at all, though.

Lol, When we do any kind of average over a dataset (the tracks' ratings in this case), we're 'summarizing' the whole dataset with just one number (or 2 if we also take the variance of the dataset), being this number an arithmetic mean, geometric mean, trimmed mean, weighted mean, the median, the mode, etc... Whatever method you choose the fact is that you're 'simplifying' the full sample, hence losing info, period. You can choose how to lose that info the way you want. And there are variety of methods to do it because there's no perfect one (neither better than the rest). Glen, you say that your method (trimmed mean on the lowest values) avoids to penalize for extra music, ok, but one could argue that is biased in favor of albums with lots of short songs, as you will 'forgive' their worst tracks systematically, so these kind of albums will be in average overrated over albums of similar level but with <= 12 tracks, because the worst songs on these ones won't be 'forgiven' at all. Then an album with 16 tracks where 5 songs are crap will have very possibly better rating than an album with 12 songs with only 1 song crap because in the first one you eliminate their 4 weakest so the one that remains is the less crap of the 5. The 12 tracks album has no chance instead. Is it fair that 5/16 > 1/12 ? Of course, you will say that there are few albums with 16+ tracks, but the bias effect will also happen for any with > 12 tracks. There is no perfect way of averaging. Would be better to keep on with the thread topic...

FYI: the track "Taste Of The Champion" is remastered in the album.

Ok, ok, the waiting is over! I know all of you are dying for this, lol... B-Side 2015: 07. C.O.P. - Loner (seems they have retired the full version from Youtube, damn!) 08. Art Nation - Need You To Understand 09. Room Experience - Shock Me 10. Peterik/Scherer - Broken Home (sorry Geoff ) 11. Eclipse - The Storm 12. Find Me - Dark Angel Track List for 2014 is coming; that's a difficult year indeed, too many excellent releases. Until lthen... Njoy!

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To close the topic of ratings, what you're discussing is in fact an old math/statistics point: mean vs median vs mode, http://daranjjohnson.com/2017/01/31/averages-are-means/ And the Glen's method is called a 'trimmed mean' (in his case he trims only the lowest score values). But there's no perfect way in fact, as any of those kind of averages show different things of the dataset (the tracks' ratings in this case). Let's move on.

IMO, the best comparison is Sturm Und Drang (is the same singer obviously, but I also find this 'pop-metal' style similar, but more polished here). Anyway, I like it a lot. And 'Straight Through The Heart' is a highlight for me (not claiming my opinion is right, just that works for me).

At the glory ages... Bon Jovi - Slippery When Wet Def Leppard - Hysteria Whitesnake - 1987 Guns N'Roses - Appetite For Destruction Skid Row - S/T Lillian Axe - Love + War Blue Tears - S/T And these days (in no particular order): Free Spirit - All The Shades Of Darkened Light First Signal - S/T Eclipse - Armageddonize Work Of Art - In Progress Angels Or Kings - Kings Of Nowhere Brother Firetribe - Heart Full Of Fire The Magnificent - S/T Tokyo Motor Fist - S/T

The real explanation is in: 05. Return to the Tribe - 4 That one basically alone 'sinks' your RR score. Without it the average climbs to 77.2%.

My Track List for 2015: 01. Degreed - The Scam 02. Station - Dressed To Kill 03. Magnus Karlsson's Free Fall - No Control 04. The Poodles - The Greatest 05. Khymera - I Believe 06. Kiske-Somerville - Walk On Water You liked it? The B-Side will be here in a few days... Stay tuned!

My 2017 top-5 so far: Tokyo Motor Fist Eclipse One Desire Jim Jidhed Lionville

Haha, cool announcement.

Listening (and enjoying) this for second day full... :guitar: The "problem" to me, maybe, is that the formula is beginning to be a bit repetitive (as some of you discussed posts ago in fact). Here quite tracks have too similar structure and rythm: Vertigo, Never Look Back, No Way Back, Killing Me, Jaded, Born To Lead, For Better Or For Worse,... All are pure music bliss, don't misunderstand me, just too samey. I find the tracks in Armageddonize more varied and distinctive. Also The Downfall Of Eden to me is Battlegrounds 2. That said, all are great and done with absolute perfection, so I can forgive it this time. But for the next one they should add some innovations to the mix, I think (but not in excess, of course). Apart of this minor whining, serious candidate to Album of the Year with Tokyo Motor Fist's, no doubt. Maybe because Erik is involved with so many projects now, his songwriting handprint were found everywhere and quite easy to remember, anyway, still a solid album as usual, maybe will rated well above 90% Yep, exactly mate.

Review: http://heavyparadise.blogspot.com.es/2016/12/review-sweet-mary-jane-winter-in.html

https://soundcloud.com/johnsykesofficial/sykes-samples The album will be titled 'Sy-Ops': https://www.rocks-magazin.de/meldungen/john-sykesr%C3%BCckkehr-aus-dem-eis Translation from german:

Eclipse - Monumentum

Listening (and enjoying) this for second day full... :guitar: The "problem" to me, maybe, is that the formula is beginning to be a bit repetitive (as some of you discussed posts ago in fact). Here quite tracks have too similar structure and rythm: Vertigo, Never Look Back, No Way Back, Killing Me, Jaded, Born To Lead, For Better Or For Worse,... All are pure music bliss, don't misunderstand me, just too samey. I find the tracks in Armageddonize more varied and distinctive. Also The Downfall Of Eden to me is Battlegrounds 2. That said, all are great and done with absolute perfection, so I can forgive it this time. But for the next one they should add some innovations to the mix, I think (but not in excess, of course). Apart of this minor whining, serious candidate to Album of the Year with Tokyo Motor Fist's, no doubt.

Listening this full now... Early veredict: great, but... a bit below Armageddonize IMHO, only a bit. (Your mileage could vary, obviously).