Glen

Never been a fan of Scorpions, and Giant, whilst decent is just more Frontiers genericness to me 🤷

In fairness, DF could easily drop in with the duds, cos I'll prob not listen to it again

Mine for 2022 :

Dan Reed Network - defo top of the pile for me. Great return to form

Treat - no 2. Continuation of their more modern style. Very nice 

Ronnie Atkins - No 3. Nice but a way behind his first solo

Skid Row - No 4. Erik breathes new life . Solid

Def Leppard - No 5 . Decent 

Everything falls down for me :

FM , HOL, Dare, Scorpions, Giant, Magnum, Journey & Marillion - never feel the need to hear these again, ever. 

move on mate 

move on guys this thread is toxic. 🙂

Muse.

brilliant album 

yeah it's nice but a way off Work of Art quality imo 

1 hour ago, auslander said:

Um, who is the moron? Ffs have you heard about births and immigration? Fuck me sometimes fools being fools is just hard to fathom...

Anyone could do a quick google like I did and see Geoff meant 12K per die in the UK approx per week.

I've moved on mate, I suggest you do too

Work of Art 😭😭😭😭

Levara (such a shame)

58 minutes ago, Geoff said:

I think the article was ignored because it's like posting an article about a Jewish person stealing a few chocolate bars from his local supermarket during the Holocaust. 

Sure, the dozen or so people the article is probably referring to seem to be making very silly personal decisions for themselves. But pro-vaccine folk have stopped short of calling for criminal charges against unvaccinated people over the last few years, to the point where they were actually banished from society without any justification whatsoever. And these decisions of unvaccinated banishment were supported but every terrified, irrational gronk and their dog. 

So yeah, a dozen or so unvaccinated people may have a few silly ideas about blood transfusions, but have you got an article about what absolute cunts everyone who unjustly targeted unvaccinated people over the last few years have been? With pfizer's latest admissions, so that even the brainwashed can now understand, that kind of story might invite a little more commentary? 

move on mate

what a mess

1 hour ago, Dead Planet said:

trying to change anyone's opinion on covid, restrictions, masking and the vax is a waste of time.

💯

time to move on 

8 minutes ago, Geoff said:

lol, extra zero, but my point remains. Don't know why we keep going over the same thing when I mentioned the proper numbers with the correct amount of zeros many months ago, but we're here again. 

And I don't really get stuff like this. For years, and even about two or three posts ago, I've agreed a measured response was required for those that the virus affected - NOT a one size fits the entire planet one. What I've taken great issue with is the ridiculously unmeasured nature of the response. And again, just typing exactly what I've said before, but I can't comment from experience on the UK - only Australia. But, as I have also said before, there are plenty of people in the UK who think similarly about covid as I do. You've pumped it up to be everything the media told you it was, but not everyone in your country saw it that way. 

Again, median death age was 83. Life expectancy is low 70's. Children weren't allowed in schools for two years, people were locked out of their countries, livelihoods and jobs lost, no one allowed to see dying loved ones - the whole planet shut down. And the median age of death with covid was 83. But children were not allowed in schools and playgrounds. 

I know you have your bullet points that you hang everything on. Would just love, for one post, to see you consider everything, especially with what you know now. 

I have and do get that, but in my opinion it was a measured response.

How do you do a measured response just for the affected? What lock the oldies down forever until a vaccine is found and let everyone else crack on as usual lol. 

Basically at the start, 1500 a day were dying at the peak. Hospitals were overwhelmed. That didn't happen in Australia. but it did here.

Only solution was to lock everyone down and it worked 

Summer 2020, I went on hols. Cases were virtually zero. 

Only problem is the fucker came back and even more people were dying by Jan 21 so we locked down again for 8 weeks.

March 21 vaccines rolled out and we gradually opened up.

not sure how else that could have panned out tbh

I get that Australia has over reacted and dragged it out way too long but I won't criticise our government as I think they did the right thing. 

At its peak : Covid = around 2000 / day

every other cause put together = 1250? maybe 1300 at a push 

the fact is mate that at its peak, more people were dying per day from COVID than every other cause put together in the UK.

imo, that warrants a response 

2 hours ago, Geoff said:

you believe that, that's cool. To each their own. But, even if you believe that, did you know that somewhere around 10-12,000 people die in the UK every single day

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Is that a fact. 

At that rate mate, the UK will fail to exist in 15 years.

Moron.

1 hour ago, Geoff said:

Did they play a lot of Gronwall-era stuff? What sort of percentage of the set? 

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/heat/2022/electric-brixton-london-england-5bb157a8.html

I left after Living on the Run 🏃‍♂️ 

Well as expected HEAT were a shadow of their former selves.

There is such a gigantic gulf between Erik & Kenny.

Last time I saw Kenny was about 12 yrs ago in a small club with about 40 people in attendance - that was obviously v good, but a decade on, in a larger venue he doesn't do it for me. Bouncing around like an over excited puppy shouting songs which weren't written for his voice or range.

It's a real shame that I'll never see HEAT again unless they happen to be on a bill at a wider festival or something. 

In my opinion, most disappointing album of 2022. and now most disappointing gig. 

On 10/18/2022 at 4:09 PM, Glen said:

as of Nov 21 (which is a while ago) :

20,000 under the age of 65 have died of COVID in UK

50% had no underlying health conditions.

 

no response to this then Geoff? 

Probably because you can't argue with it and it impacts your blinkered viewpoint. 

I'm pretty sure that stat is probably higher than any other death cause as in 2017 for example the leading cause of death for males age 30-50 was accidental poisoning (!) followed by suicide.

As I've previously mentioned on numerous occasions (mostly ignored), the death rate in UK hit nearly 2000 a day from covid. These were excess deaths as proven by excess mortality stats. That's more from one cause than the normal daily death of around 1500 for every case.

So in my opinion our response was measured and I will not criticise it. 

This might not have happened in Australia but it happened in UK. 

But this will fall on deaf ears so I might as well move on. 

2 hours ago, Geoff said:

Wow, how has this had no interaction yet? I though this'd appeal to a few folk here, with a band like Kissin' Dynamite being well regarded in these parts. Right or wrong, that's kind of who I associate this band with. 

For me, it's a decent album. Not mind blowing, but 'Ain't No End in Sight' and 'Higher' are both good songs. 

folk probably saw ADV and didn't bother reading any further

as of Nov 21 (which is a while ago) :

20,000 under the age of 65 have died of COVID in UK

50% had no underlying health conditions.

1 hour ago, Geoff said:

It depends on what your definition of "work" is. How exactly does a covid vaccine work on a child? Or young adult? Or a 30 year old? 40 year old? Anyone healthy and under 65?  

Never disputed that the vaccine is worthwhile for "vulnerable" age groups and those with existing medical conditions. But one size does not fit all. 

I'm glad the UK were able to hold their nerve with the thousands of deaths a day you speak of and everyone remained calm, logical and sensible. I can assure you with a horrid, clear recollection that a maniacal frenzy is what covid was treated with in Australia. I will never get the daily press conferences reporting sometimes one or two cases out of my head... every day for about two years. 

You could ask that about any vaccine.

I assume your children have received several.

Not I'm condoning a covid vaccine for children.

but in the early days plenty of healthy under 65s died who would no doubt have given anything to have previously had the luxury of a covid jab, as they drew their last breath 

file under Nickelback 

did I mention I'm seeing HEAT tonight

Feels like end of an era though and if the tickets weren't from 2020, I doubt I'd be going in all honesty.

absolutely OK with being proven wrong tho

3 hours ago, Geoff said:

The problem seems to be that through yours and like minded eyes, misinformation only comes from those who do not agree with you. 

Have you ever acknowledged the misinformation that our political leaders, "health experts" and media have fed us on a constant drip feed over the last few years? Isn't that the type of misinformation we should be most concerned about, considering it's what whipped up this whole maniacal frenzy? 

not true as I said above.

Quite happy to debate differing opinions but not on whether vaccines work or not. 

Especially when the evidence is plain to see

Also, your opinion on what constitutes a maniacal frenzy is different to most logical people 

7 hours ago, Metal T said:

'Misinformation' and 'conspiracy theorist' are terms liberals and the media like to use to try and demonize people who oppose them..yeah well just call it 'misinformation' that'll shut 'em up'.The new 'racist' - if you will .Just call someone a 'racist' .. a 'sexist'...a homophobe', a conspiracy theorist' and all debate is over according to useless,maniacal libtard imbeciles who fail at life.

wrong. I only use the term misinformation when it is warranted

perfectly happy to listen to other people's opinions and change my mind.

in this case though squawking about vaccines not working is spewing misinformation. 

On the flip side, you call anyone who disagrees with you a liberal and end your debate in the same way