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Why, WHy, WHY is it that people feel the need to fuck with my Butch Walker fix? Hey, I laid off, just like I promised I would, so you can't blame me anymore! And for the record, no, I did not pay Glam Junkie to poke at your sore spot... Who's Butch Walker?

You mean to tell me eBay sells things other than music?

By posting this here, are you saying Walmart is a good or bad trader/seller?

...I don't like to get in trouble, so I have jlprocks do it for me...

I miss this thread.

Would be nice if they shipped to the U.S.

I don't expect anything from you Lonnie. There was nothing grade school about what I did. I never intended to use your name. I just wanted opinions about a situation hoping you would read them and do the right thing. YOU choose to bring your name into this. I want nothing from you. Lets just move on. JL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not to mention you all the sudden get an e-mail for an obi. You just now happen to find one after five months? Please.............. JL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No offense JL, but I can definitely see Lonnie's point about grade school actions, because I think your last comment was grade-school-ish. You've admitted, and many of us know, that Lonnie is a stand-up guy and been a great seller/trader. So, now he finds your coveted OBI, and you're going to mock him for it? There's a reason why CDs with the OBI strip cost more, and that's because they're harder to find. So, be a man, and give Lonnie the benefit of the doubt, take your OBI strip and move on. This all just sounds like a misunderstanding, and I feel it was totally unappropriate to even bring the subject up here. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks, I'll sleep better tonight knowing that......... JL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you don't want people's opinions, then don't post your questions. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't have a problem with you posting your opinion, but don't post your opinion if you don't want to see my reaction. JL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well.....don't post your reaction to my opinion of your reaction to my opinion.......ummmmmmmm..........oh, never mind!

I don't expect anything from you Lonnie. There was nothing grade school about what I did. I never intended to use your name. I just wanted opinions about a situation hoping you would read them and do the right thing. YOU choose to bring your name into this. I want nothing from you. Lets just move on. JL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not to mention you all the sudden get an e-mail for an obi. You just now happen to find one after five months? Please.............. JL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No offense JL, but I can definitely see Lonnie's point about grade school actions, because I think your last comment was grade-school-ish. You've admitted, and many of us know, that Lonnie is a stand-up guy and been a great seller/trader. So, now he finds your coveted OBI, and you're going to mock him for it? There's a reason why CDs with the OBI strip cost more, and that's because they're harder to find. So, be a man, and give Lonnie the benefit of the doubt, take your OBI strip and move on. This all just sounds like a misunderstanding, and I feel it was totally unappropriate to even bring the subject up here. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks, I'll sleep better tonight knowing that......... JL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you don't want people's opinions, then don't post your questions.

I don't expect anything from you Lonnie. There was nothing grade school about what I did. I never intended to use your name. I just wanted opinions about a situation hoping you would read them and do the right thing. YOU choose to bring your name into this. I want nothing from you. Lets just move on. JL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not to mention you all the sudden get an e-mail for an obi. You just now happen to find one after five months? Please.............. JL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No offense JL, but I can definitely see Lonnie's point about grade school actions, because I think your last comment was grade-school-ish. You've admitted, and many of us know, that Lonnie is a stand-up guy and been a great seller/trader. So, now he finds your coveted OBI, and you're going to mock him for it? There's a reason why CDs with the OBI strip cost more, and that's because they're harder to find. So, be a man, and give Lonnie the benefit of the doubt, take your OBI strip and move on. This all just sounds like a misunderstanding, and I feel it was totally unappropriate to even bring the subject up here.

Actually I told him that I wasn't interested in selling to him, and had already sold to the 2nd highest bidder.

Well, here's the email response I received almost 2 weeks after my auctions ended. Look familiar? hello....apologies for taking so long to get with you in regards to the cd(s) I won...I was away on vacation and just returned this morning. Due to some things coming up in my life while away,I will need some additional time with which to pay for the cd's........I will be able to make a paypal payment for the cd(s) on either 9/9 or possibly 9/16....please verify whether or not you are in aggreement with these dates. Regards What an

Well, this dipshit has bid and won my Pokerface - Game Of Love CD, and I'm not about to sell the disc to him. Can anybody let me know what my options are? I know I can offer the CD to the 2nd highest bidder, which I'd like to do, but do I risk him giving me a negative? Basically, how do I get rid of his high with the least effect? The auction ended yesterday, and he hasn't contacted me yet. I expect some excuse for payment coming soon.

I'll make you a cdr for $100....!!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks bud, sounds like a helluva deal!!! I just don't understand some people. Stupid people like that feed Sam's problem of not generally releasing the CDs. Just ridiculous.

Doesn't anybody read the auctions before bidding? I see a Buy-It-Now price of $500 coming for this re-release soon! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Break LIKE THE WIND - Spinal Tap

Went with In Rock We Trust simply because my fav Y & T song is on there - Keep On Runnin'. But frankly, I love all those albums.

Well, that's just kinda silly. If you wanted the Friction discussion to go 'behind the scenes' here, you still could have posted something on-topic.

Dude, you SERIOUSLY have foot-in-mouth disease. I think it's time to keep your mouth shut.

Cool it Dave! Saying stuff like that will have you burning bridges to your label before they're even built. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, no shit. Talk about stereotyping. I guess I'm just a stupid American too then.

Not even, like Parcheesi or Backgammon, or tiddly-winks?

I kind of like the idea of a Dutch auction....at least at first, to determine within a larger magnitude where the pricing should fall. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sorry, but I don't agree with any method of determining 'where the pricing should fall' in this case. I believe that's been done successfully throughout previous DECADES by numerous record labels and artists already. The only thing he could be determining is what HE could possibly get for these discs. While that practice is valid for your average eBay seller, it is not valid OR practical for a 'record label' to operate that way. As stated numerous times previously, that practice benefits neither the band or the consumer. The only person it would benefit is Sam. IF Sam really wants to get this music into the hands of the masses as he has stated in the past, set his price @ $12-$15 a CD (which I'm sure is quite a nice profit for Sam even at that price) as other record labels do, and make your profit in volume, not a per-cd basis.

Agree 100%. Until these are available somewhere for outright purchase at an advertised flat rate price, it's the same old shit. It's not doing anyone any good except lining Sam's pockets at the expense of the fans. If I start seeing them at NEH Records, or AOR Heaven, or Schmankerl, or Perris, or on Ebay with $14.99 BINs, then I'll retract the above. Until then it smells like a rat. -Dan <{POST_SNAPBACK}> "At the expense of the fans".....where are you when the many eBay sellers who have 50 or 100 copies of a certain bands cd and they only list 1 a month in their auctions.....or do their clandestine trades for high dollar cds when they, in fact, have a ton of copies?? I could name off many eBay sellers who do that...and I bet you could too. Where are the people at when bands are selling their cds directly for big bucks when they have a ton of copies?? I didn't hear anyone bitching at Mark David from Concrete Jungle when he sold his own cds for $120 a piece. Or his CDR EP for $40. I don't hear anyone bitch when the guy from Mistress sells his cds on eBay for big bucks....or Sweet Teaze or the guy from Deja Vu who sold his for $100 a pop. I don't hear you smelling rats in those instances.... I guess the only way most of you will think anything is legit is if the band's contract is posted for all of you to see so that all of the selective 'sheriff's' will make sure they're getting their due, eh?? One of the very moderators of this message board has been in contact from one of the guys in Alyze and knows that Retrospect is legit and so are the Alyze releases....but I guess that is just not enough for some. While I agree that a common price should be the 'way to go', I find it interesting that if the auctioned cds only go for $9 that that would upset you. And after checking on his auctions, that just may be the case. I mean....Delbert, PJ and many other sellers often use the phrase, 'let the market determine what the value of a cd is".....and I don't hear any complaining. And, let me reiterate...that, I too, would like to see a common fixed price for his releases. And I'll venture a guess that once everything is up and running that you will.....but...if not, then whoever doesn't like what he's doing will do without. And if his business suffers...then it will have been of his own valition. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Jim, I'm not saying that I expect Retrospect to not be legit. Hell, I really hope it is. All I'm saying is that, if these discs are being released by the bands, wouldn't you think the band would want them to be available to EVERYBODY to purchase at ANYTIME, and not once a month at a higher profit for Sam and NOT the band? The examples you state about bands selling their own stuff on eBay is quite different, as it's remaining out-of-print material of their own. If these are being re-released (or released for the first time), wouldn't you expect there to be as many copies as the label wants to produce to get it into the hands of the consumer, and benefit the BAND? I mean, what if MTM, Escape, etc... all released their stuff only on eBay? How does that benefit the band at all? Okay, they get royalties for 1 copy a month while the seller makes a bundle on each? See what I mean? Again, I repeat, I HOPE that's not the case as I want to purchase these releases through normal sources. IF it is, then I don't believe Retrospect will be in business long as there's no way bands would continue to want their material released this way.

And how would you know if Sam just plans on doing re-issues...? You just may be surprised what Sam has in store... Just wait and see.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Because LV...these Australian guys are psychic! The simple fact of the matter is...that Retrospect is going to release new issues...re-issues...and very possibly, new complete albums by bands.... Like I always say.....the 'proof is in the pudding'......and what's that other common saying....oh yeah...'actions speak louder than words'...... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, no offense to either of you but we have not heard ANYTHING from either company. Sure Sam has a couple up for auction but when will we be able to purchase these cd's at a reasonable price from a website other than Ebay? Don't get me wrong because I hope both companies succeed because it's all good things for the hard rock comm. But if proof is in the pudding I'm on a diet because I haven't seen or heard or been able to purchase anything from either person. Time will tell I suppose... Later JL <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well....as you well know, they're listed on eBay. So, I would say that's getting started....wouldn't you say? You could start off buy buying the ones you see on eBay. So, I wouldn't say you haven't been able to purchase anything. Hell...the Alyze discs...the last time I looked were only a couple of dollars. As for the buying them from a website. Well...I'm sure that will happen once the website is finished. But I agree....once you hear and see those in your hands, you can be as skeptical as you'd like. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think it's awesome that these discs are being released, BUT like I mentioned earlier, since they're official new releases, I want them to be sold at reasonable prices and not strictly by auctions on eBay. I feel that's unfair to both the consumer AND the bands. If and when they're available for general purchase, I'll be buying them all. Until then, people can bid $50+ on the Friction CD on eBay, but it won't be me.

Is it possible to buy these CDs directly through Retrospect, or are they only going to be listed by Sam on eBay? I truly hope that's not the case.

Ummmmm....isn't that, like, EVERY Journey album?