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Jodi... Obviously you missed the entire crux of my post. I would think that THAT is misguided....and not on my part. I haven't ignored anything. I mentioned.....if not more than once, that he is selling 'reissues'. I did not ignore that. And I wasn't defending his actions....merely putting them into perspective....and making those people realise that if they're going to condemn one seller, then they must comdemn the others. And...the funny thing is that some of the accusers are no 'angels' themselves. Did you miss that point of my post? So, let me ask you this....just like I asked the other accusers. Are you now going to go on a crusade to rid eBay of all sellers who do not present their auctions in a manner in which you feel is 'not ripping someone off'??? Are you? If not....then my question was...then why become so vehement in your disdain for this particular seller? Did you just feel compelled to jump on this wagon??? In my post, I mentioned many scenarios that take place....DAILY....on eBay...and from sellers that I'm sure YOU KNOW, Jodi....but I see no mention of their names in this stand on this issue. Why is that? I know you know of MANY cdr traders......are you going to condemn them as well. You HAVE to be fair in this....wouldn't you say? However twisted you think my logic was....my point was simple.

Paulo... I gotcha.

Rick, Your analogy would hold true in the instance the the 'reproducer' was NOT given permission. In this case, at lease from what I have inferred, Vegasmetal has permission to sell these items from the proper entity. Like I've mentioned, it seems the only thing he's truly 'guilty' of *at least from what I've read* is that he simply didn't indicate in his auctions if those particular items were 'reissues' or not. And like I tried to illustrate, there are MANY, MANY sellers on eBay that do the same.....or worse.

Dave...it's excellent!

Pariah ~ "Make Believe"

I've been reading from afar the soap opera concerning Vegasmetal and those that were accusing him of selling bootlegs on eBay and I've posted this....not to, in so much, 'defend' Vegasmetal...but to post some observations at what occurred over the weekend. I would have posted sooner....but, as some of you know, I've been ill the last few days and to type something of this length would have been too cumbersome. So...let me begin. A poster......one who has just recently registered amongst the many members here to make a claim against an eBay seller who they claim must be selling 'bootlegs'. They provide no evidence that 'bootlegs' are indeed being sold....but they've made comparisons to ones they already have and thus infer that it must be a 'bootleg' copy. Now....no one really knows who this poster is....we've never heard of them before...and they make no inclination to tell us who they are. Nothing much is said....until the owner of this website, Dan...decides to make mention that he, too, has 'heard' of rumblings of this nature. Now...mind you....no evidence had been produced up to that point that, in fact, Vegasmetal was selling 'bootlegs'...simply some 'anonymous' person making a claim. And Dan...'hearing' that it may be true. Of course....the seller sees this and becomes visibly angered and, in much the same fashion as I've known him for many years....lets out his tirade against the accusers...all of which at THIS time have offered no substantial proof of their allegation. But.....because of the manner in which Vegasmetal is unable to defend himself *Obviously he is not adept at this...and uses the only means he knows....vulgarity, insults and information to support his place in the 'eBay'..or music world* he becomes an easy target for those that obviously were offended by his lack of tact and or just wanted to add their two cents to the situation to take 'potshots' at someone who obviously is angered...and unable to reasonably discuss the situation. To see members of this board....who knew nothing of the situation join in on the attacks was eye opening...to say the least. Of course....as time goes by...and with someone trying to defend themself from obviously innaccurate accusastions of BOOTLEGGING...which, as everyone knows, was the ORGINAL thrust of the argument, we find someone who actually asks a legitimate question. Maybe they're 're-issues'? Wel....this lesser charge STILL sends immense 'shockwaves' through the attackers and fuels them to ask...again...and again.....if they, in fact were. As if it vilified their original attack that this person was a BOOTLEGGER. And after the dust settles.....we come to the conclusion....and by admittance by the seller that he may in fact have the AUTHORITY from the copyright holders to SELL these items. Did it not occur to anyone throughout all of your accusations that this was possibly the case???!!! No...most of you were too busy arguing...screaming...calling names, etc....and so was Vegasmetal. It was all very childish and it seems you all had agendas OTHER than the orginal crux which was 'bootlegging'. So....after the INITIAL allegation was found to be UNTRUE, the masses decide that not disclosing this sellers items were possibly 'reissues' that he should be lynched for such....and that he is taking advantage of eBay buyers. But...one such poster, Delbert..even after we've learned that they are probably 'reissues', he decides to implicate to Vegasmetal that the RIAA can be contacted and that people are held liable...they can go to jail, etc.....................for WHAT? Not disclosing in an eBay auction that the cds are 'reissues'??!!! I think not.....nice try though. I feel that you were fueling the fire because you felt you were 'duped' by Vegasmetal and this led to your ire in posting the information to contact the RIAA and it's branch of piracy, etc. even though we've already learned that they're probably not bootlegs. I believe you let your argument get 'personal', Delbert....and when you did that, you erred. Because basically, if Vegasmetal has permission from the proper entities like he has suggested, then it would be a waste of time to contact anyone.....wouldn't it? And all of your huffing and puffing would have accomplished what?? Well....it would surely cause those that read these boards who didn't know any better that....and by inference AND suggestion, that Vegasmetal is indeed a crook and he should go to jail. Why all the venom? Well...that leads me to my next bit of insight. Delbert....Koogles....two of the most vociferous attackers of Vegasmetal...well........you are BOTH sellers of the same type of musich that Vegasmetal is on eBay....are you not? Interesting then...that your venom and accusations spoke the loudest...even to the point of typing in the contacts for the RIAA and suggesting that someone could easily pursue legal action against someone who is guilty of what?? Not saying that two...or one....of the items he's selling *amongst hundreds* are not being presented properly in his auction information block??!! They're not mentioning in the auction that the cds are reiusses. Well, isn't that interesing. Why....you may ask? Well....if you, Delbert...or Koogles were so ADAMANT about crusading for the righteousness of eBay sellers then surely you would go after other sellers for the same issues. Hell.....you would even want to go after them for issues such as, not putting the year of release in the information.....or better yet, going after those eBay sellers who list NO INFORMATION in their itiems their selling. That would be an easy crusade wouldn't it. In fact, I would think....that since both of you 'sellers' care so much you would go after those sellers that contact the bands directly and then sell their products on eBay for prices far in excess of what you could actually get them from the band for. Hey...that would be an idea...wouldn't it. I mean.....surely that is JUST AS MISLEADING as is something as simple as not putting the cd information in the ad for the auction? Wouldn't you say? I mean...buying cds from a website....or the band themself and then reselling on eBay for BIG BUCKS! Hell...that would be taking the money right out of the bands coffers...now, wouldn't it? That is...unless they know that those eBay sellers are doing so....with their permission. Hey...you might even want to start attacking the cdr traders!!! I've seen many guys posting their cds for cdr trades....and you know what?? *gasp*.....they are even asking for cdrs of NEW releases!!!!!!!! Ahhh...just think of all the guilty mo-fos you could nab!!!! Hey....why not start right at this message board...and then just move on to the melodcorck boards and start attacking those guys for doing such 'bad' things and depriving the bands of their money. I think that would be a great idea and you guys seem to have just enough energy to do a kick ass job!!! In fact, now that I think of it....Delbert...because I've mentioned this to you in a prior thread and you did not respond. Why don't you look into those Persia cds you sell from the that 'Dave' guy from Iron Works? I've never seen anything disclosed in your auction for that particular cd that indicates it's a reissue either....because *MY* original Persia cd didn't come in a jewel case like the ones you auction off....it came in a matchbook style pack with little matches on the inside. And what was really cool...is it had a striking mat on the inside just like you'd find in a real book of matches. I mean...if we're going by differences here...then surely you must be selling 'bootlegs'. I mean...after all, that was how AOR guy accused Vegasmetal inititally. Maybe you should look into that....after all, we're trying to help the unassuming buyer....right? Maybe you should tell all of your potential bidders in your auctions that you actually get them by using the 'buy it now' feature whenever that seller sells them... Oh...and maybe you should indicate how much you buy them 'now' for. I mean...if we're trying to look after the innocent eBay buyer...that would only be the nice thing to do....right?? A crusade for the ages.....indeed.... The bottom line to this story is that it's easy to attack someone. It's easy to make accusations and it is difficult to hear the truth. We've seen if from both sides of the coin....haven't we folks? The fact remains that there is no law that states you have to put ANY information in your eBay auctions...and some sellers do just that. They leave it up to people to email them if they have questions. The rule of thumb, however....is usually if it looks to good to be true....then it probably is. Message board wars come and go....there are always 'SELLER vs. SELLER' wars.....and there are ALWAYS two sides to the story. And hell....if you're an Extreme fan...then there are III. Just remember, eBayers....email potential sellers and ask questions.....if you don't get a reply....then be wary. And as Dan would say..... 'Buyer Beware'.... What, truly have we learned from this? Well, not a whole heckuva lot actually. We learned that Vegasmetal has no tact...and is beligerent and vulgar *already knew that*. We learned that Vegasmetal has not stated in two of his items...or possibly one *I can't remember* that they are reissues. We learned that it's easy to attack someone that isn't so adept at defending themselves. We learned that Vegasmetal isn't the only eBay seller who does not provide all of the information in their auctions. And...we learned that there is usually more than one side to the story.

Lit ~ 's/t'............this really IS a very good record!!!

Tesla ~ "Into the Now"

Neuropa ~ "Born"

Ok...on my way into the office this afternoon, put in a cool Indie called: Emperor ~ "After the Storm"........good stuff!!! And on the way home....it will be: Icehouse ~ "Icehouse"

flimspjsijmwyflimspjsijmwyflimspjsijmwyflimspjsijmwyflimspjsijmwyflimspjsijmwy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She's a little on the muscular side, but still the same, she's gorgeous. She's only 16 too. Her mother is a good looking lady as well, so you can see that she's got both her parents genes. As far as her attire goes, she's dressed like that because her career is starting to take off and her main competition is Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Pink, Avril Lavigne and Shakira so she's gotta dress competitively. I downloaded a few of her tunes off the net that I've found and I think she'll do well. She definately has the talent, aside from her father's money and connections, to do something. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 16...and dressed like a skank. I don't care what her career is....she is still dressed inappropriately. And at SIXTEEN it's even worse to know that she's dressed that way. You think because her 'competition' is Britney, etc. that that is what she has to do to compete? Could you have just as easily said her competition is Hillary Duff, Mandy Moore, Jessica Simpson or Joss Stone??? Give me a break, dude.......

BC..yeah, she does. I, personally, don't think that she's that good looking...... You know....the one thing that I would have been a bit 'put off' with...if she were my daughter and we were attending the Awards show, is that she's dressed like a skank. Do young people have ANY class at all nowadays??!!!

Staying on a PUSH kick...... PUSH ~ "Shaken Not Stirred"

Yaz *no relation to Danny Vaughn...*

Today, broke out one of my buddy's cds..... PUSH ~ "Maximum Entertainment" ....now, can't wait for his solo disc that should drop soon....

Vote for your fave.... http://hotties.maximonline.com/2004/finalists/index.aspx

Well, if you insist!!! *Love the Smiths by the way...* 'Oh, Sheila' ~ Ready for the World

'Take On Me' ~ A-Ha

'Down in the Park' ~ Gary Numan

Currently playing: Lit "s/t"..............damn good album!! For all of you that may not have known, Lit were the Cali band 'Razzle' whose album "New Vibe Revolution" kicks some serious ass!!! They may have changed their style a bit....but they still write some good tunes!!

P!!! Aye...it is!!! And oh.........I haven't had so much fun as Kermit in my whole life!!!! Thanks for the 'exposure'!!! haha

Picked up a few yesterday..... Megadeth ~ "The System Has Failed" Lit ~ "s/t" Tears for Fears ~ "Everybody Loves a Happy Ending" My Chemical Romance ~ "Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge"

Megadeth ~ "The System Has Failed"

Ok...I'll try one more time! "Forever" ~ KISS