Gringo

MIND Over Matter - Warrior

If I remember right, they played a lot of Kiss tunes in the movie Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park.

I echo the above comments.Yes indeedy !!!

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I echo the above comments (except Wotty's).

Well, it looks like all the auctions have been cancelled. Looks like somebody found out that something fishy was going on.

Hmmmm....Pine City, MN. Not too far from my house. Maybe he'd be willing to let me take a look at the CDs before buying. I think I'll ask, but kind of doubt I'll actually get a response.

I do most of my buying on eBay, but if I'm looking for newer stuff and want to buy a larger quantity, I'll buy from AOR Heaven. Georg is great to deal with, ships very fast, and prices are reasonable.

Alright, as usual we're WAY off topic... 

 

But seriously... trading is kind of sacred around here.    The "regulars" tend to trade amongst themselves, because we trust each other and there's no pressure.  Most people here prefer to trade stuff that's long out of print and/or nearly impossible to find, because we want to support the bands and purchase originals whenever possible.  And we don't post responses to trades simply because most of us prefer to discuss it in PM's.  It's just easier that way and the whole world doesn't have to know your business.

 

As far as getting to know people, don't hesitate to jump in and BS a little with us!     That's how you build up friendships and trust in trading around here.   Yeah, we get a little combative and/or goofy sometimes, but it's all in fun (just look at the direction THIS thread took! ). 

 

So stick around... we promise not to smack ya around too much!    

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That is true. Most of the people here are awesome (except 1) so just join in on the fun and make some friends. Even Wotty managed a few friends.

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Ummmmm....that wouldn't be a reference to me, would it rycheage?

Here I thought Marla and Christine were the only ones doing that here    I was lied to! 

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Could somebody please talk Trish into doing the lap dances too.

Stairway - Symphony of Life.

Bark At the MOON - Ozzy Osbourne

Eyewitness

TAKE Me Home Tonight - Eddie Money

I voted for Beer or Mixed drink. Even though I wanted to vote for the other categories too, I felt this was the best choice.

Fate - Fate

Fate - A Matter Of Attitude

Frozen Eyes - Frozen Eyes

Lori Linstruth - Demo 2004

Marchello - Marchello

Conditioned Response - In Flagrante Delecto

 

Which also reminds me, if anyone out there ever decided they want to check out the Conditioned Response - In Flagrante Delecto cd, there's a seller on eBay trying to sell them for almost $80 a pop. If you look them up on the internet on other music selling sites, you can find them from $10-25.

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I was just going to ask you about that. The title of the album alone is great! How is the music? Worth the asking price? ($25, not $80)

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I know the guys in the band. most of them now play in Decibel with Lance King on vocals. Lance is the singer in Pyramaze, and has also done the first 2 cd's with Gemini, 3 cd's with Balance Of Power, and also some vocals for Mattsson, Empire, Kings Machine, and many others. Lance also owns Nightmare Records

 

If I remember right, Mikey told me the title is latin or something for killing someone while having sex. Or something like that. I was a little tanked that night

 

I got mine from Metal Mayhem for $15

 

Lance has both Conditioned Response cd's on his site for sale. Just type in the word Conditioned.

 

Many people don't know this, but the band was originally called Pavlovs Dogs and the cd was called Conditioned Response, but because they found out that another band had already used that name, they reversed the titles after a few cd's had already been made up with the name as Pavlovs Dogs. They're hard to find that way

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T-Bone is correctamundo. I have that cd when the band was still called Pavlov's Dogs.....it's good stuff.

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Yep, I have that CD in its original form also. Very good stuff in a Queensryche vein. Singer sounds an awful lot like Geoff Tate in places. Definitely worth checking out.

I love it! After Dan replies with links back to the threads on his site, Vegas asks melodicrock if they'd delete the thread he started. LOL

Some people seriously don't know when to stop.

My statement of 'vehemence' was not born from that which you directed toward Sam....but to me.

 

My 'vehemence' stems from the fact that you stated that my insight into the situation was 'twisted'...and devoid of 'logic'. And I responded in a manner in which I felt was filled with enough ire to present the situation...as best as one can on a message board...in its 'angry' context without spouting vulgarities, etc. Why? Because you were not correct in that assumption.

 

The situation about the cdr traders was simply put. And in the context of this discussion was an insight into their 'legality' of trading...and NOT what the buyer on the other end was getting. I was comparing their trading to Sam's misrepresentation to put things in a sort of heiarchy of 'wrong doing'. The cdr traders are probably actually defrauding..in scope...more people...and for more money than Sam will EVER make. And that point was to show the level of 'wrong doing' that Sam was accused of...as to other acts that I feel are far more worrysome. And I wondered if all of these people who were attacking him so eagerly...were just doing so to 'jump in'...or if they truly believed in justice.....so to speak.

 

This statement speaks volumes. "They should all show more integrity than they are, but that's up to them." You stated this when talking about other sellers on eBay. Isn't it ironic that it's up to 'them' to police themselves...but yet...you felt the need to jump into the foray to attack Vegasmetal? Well...you weren't one of the 'attackers'...so to speak...but you definitely held one side of opinion in the matter. So, it's not really 'up to' him....is it?

 

"The one difference with vegasmetal is he opened himself up to the criticism from others by registering for this messageboard and proceeded to swear, bad-mouth, bitch, complain, etc.... "

 

Yes...I wholeheartedly agree. He did open himself up to criticism. Of his personality....of his lact of tact...and verbage. And I had no problems with people being angry about that. I know how he can be.....so it doesn't affect me as greatly...but I can understand how others felt.

 

You keep saying that something Vegasmetal did was 'wrong'...and I was putting this into perspective. How 'wrong' was it? Many felt that by not disclosing certain info in his auctions that that was 'wrong'. I pointed out....and they are sellers you very well have seen....that do not 1.) Put the year of release in their auctions because they don't want the buyer to know that it's not from the 80's etc. 2.) Post NO info at all 3.) Use exaggerations, implications and otherwise to get the buyer to think the piece they are looking at is maybe more than it is. All of those examples are seen on eBay EVERY day without one word on this message board. Should we all START threads calling these guys out before you respond? Is that what you need to see where I'm coming from? What I was trying to illustrate with that 'logic' was that people come here...many who are NOT regulars...to jump into the foray concerning the matter and I was merely pointing out that this isn't the only injustice on eBay...or in music....but I never see anyone 'jumping' to fix that problem.

 

"No, he's not the only one by far, but he is what this thread is about."

 

No..this thread was about having perspective...and accountability as seen through someone elses eyes. And if you want to go back to the original topic....it wasn't about 'reissues' at all. It was about 'Bootlegs'.

 

Interestingly enough..the whole crux of the argument started because someone 'alleged' that Vegasmetal was selling 'bootlegs'. Why not shoot the messenger too? They were obviously wrong...but I saw NO ONE call them out and say 'hey...doesn't look like you are correct'. I didn't see ONE person ask this person any questions. NONE.

 

And why should that have been done? Well, much in the same way we do things in this world....more often than not, the allegation stirs the pot...no matter how valid it is. And...even if there is no truth...it can stick. We see this all the time....in politics, etc. Is it right? No. I felt that even though Sam was wrong to not indicate in his auctions that the discs were 'reissues' that the magnitude with which this whole thing took off was absurd. And yes....'Sam' didn't help things with his attitude or his lack of tact. But....the bottom line was not those personality traits. This wasn't a contest....this was serious, possibly LEGAL, allegations and I didn't like the way it was handled. THUS, my 'defense' of Sam....as you so wish.

 

"Lastly, whether you believe so or not, you are defending him."

 

Actually...not entirely true...but if you don't see it then I'm not going to convince you otherwise. I'm not here to convert anyone to either side...I'm merely pointing out some observations that really I felt no one even considered...or cared to.

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You completely missed the point about integrity. The fact that others are now questioning his integrity (yes, me included) does not in anyway take away his ability to choose for himself. Ultimately, it's his choice whether to continue to deceive or come clean. Every seller has this opportunity everytime they post something for sale.

Anyway, I didn't intend to get into a pissing match with you. We'll just have to agree to disagree. The only thing that really pisses me off tho is that my name is spelled Jody and not Jodi!

JLPRocks, what you seem to ignore is the fact that he IS doing something wrong.  The fact that 'others are doing it' doesn't make it right.  It's not okay to rob a bank because you saw on the news that someone else did it, and it's not right to rip off unsuspecting buyers on eBay because 'others are doing it'.  That's very twisted logic in defending vegasmetal, and quite misguided.

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Jodi...

 

Obviously you missed the entire crux of my post. I would think that THAT is misguided....and not on my part.

 

I haven't ignored anything. I mentioned.....if not more than once, that he is selling 'reissues'. I did not ignore that. And I wasn't defending his actions....merely putting them into perspective....and making those people realise that if they're going to condemn one seller, then they must comdemn the others. And...the funny thing is that some of the accusers are no 'angels' themselves. Did you miss that point of my post?

 

So, let me ask you this....just like I asked the other accusers. Are you now going to go on a crusade to rid eBay of all sellers who do not present their auctions in a manner in which you feel is 'not ripping someone off'??? Are you? If not....then my question was...then why become so vehement in your disdain for this particular seller? Did you just feel compelled to jump on this wagon??? In my post, I mentioned many scenarios that take place....DAILY....on eBay...and from sellers that I'm sure YOU KNOW, Jodi....but I see no mention of their names in this stand on this issue. Why is that? I know you know of MANY cdr traders......are you going to condemn them as well. You HAVE to be fair in this....wouldn't you say?

 

However twisted you think my logic was....my point was simple.

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First thing, please show me the 'vehemence' you refer to in regard to how I treated this particular seller. The strongest thing I've said is that it's not right to mislead buyers into paying huge amounts for what they are lead to believe are original CDs. Not once did I use any vulgarity or even strong language which was so prevalent in his posts. Hell, your language used in response to my post was much more 'vehement' than anything I said. Where does your vehemence come from?

Secondly, when it comes to cdr traders, the traders KNOW what they will be receiving, that being a cdr. They're not expecting an original CD in return for the CDR they trade, and a buyer shouldn't receive a reissue or bootleg in return for the hard-earned cash they pay when they're expecting an original! I believe I'm being more than fair in my statements.

Thirdly, I am not defending any other seller on eBay that performs equally 'shady deals' as those being discussed. They should all show more integrity than they are, but that's up to them. The one point I agree with you on is that the buyer needs to be more aware that this crap happens, and ask the appropriate questions, especially if they're planning on spending the big bucks on an item. The one difference with vegasmetal is he opened himself up to the criticism from others by registering for this messageboard and proceeded to swear, bad-mouth, bitch, complain, etc.... from his very first post. I believe this site is a community where, for the most part, people enjoy and respect each other, and when someone jumps in and starts the shit that vegasmetal did IMMEDIATELY upon his registering, it tends to get people's ire up.

Lastly, whether you believe so or not, you are defending him. Yes, you admit he's selling reissues, but where do you state that he is wrong in doing so? Again, the fact that others are doing it doesn't make it okay, and YES I think the others should stop also. A crusade? Nah, but I do have my beliefs that sellers such as vegasmetal should be more honest in their selling. No, he's not the only one by far, but he is what this thread is about.

JLPRocks, what you seem to ignore is the fact that he IS doing something wrong. The fact that 'others are doing it' doesn't make it right. It's not okay to rob a bank because you saw on the news that someone else did it, and it's not right to rip off unsuspecting buyers on eBay because 'others are doing it'. That's very twisted logic in defending vegasmetal, and quite misguided.

Shotgun Alli - great stuff!

Hotel California - Eagles

BAD Boys Running Wild - Scorpions

HEAVEN Tonight - Waysted

Blowin' Up My DETROIT - Alfonzetti

One Bourbon, One Scotch, One BEER - George Thorogood

THAT'S the Stuff - Autograph