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Well, so much for the idea that it won't get the initial bid....

 

First off, there are no midgames being played....at least not by myself.

The whole meaning of my post in the other thread, was to simply point out

that due to what is stated in the auction, the location of the seller, etc... that I believe it to be legit. I can verify that there was indeed a 4X4 promo photo sent out with at least some of the CDs, as I have it.

 

*I see now that the seller has added this to the auction:

 

I have additional scans of shrink wrapped CD, back cover and full insert but received a bid as I revising listing so I am unable to complete photo revision. I will email them if you send request and include your email address.

 

There ya go....email away...

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All makes sence. I did notice the item location right away, but had doubts;now I start believing this is the original. The Seller updated the listing and we can request additional scans. Let's see.

D.

This is too funny!!!

 

IF ya'll have read all the threads concerning the Surrender thing...and ALL of the people that were involved...like maybe the 'contact' people...then look at the eBay ID....then maybe you'd realise who it is.....if not.....then you're going to miss out!!!

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Who the f*** is Susan T? I have read all the threads but do not recall anyone with this name.

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Come on man, don't get frustrated. Let them play their mind games.

 

As far as I'm concerned everyone could have read the topics and register "susant" or "mickcorey" account whatever.

 

I feel sorry for these folks if they are the bandpeople and finally want to cash in on their stuff, but without relevant info and with such feedback this CD aint goin to sell for $1000. I'd be suprprised if it even gets initial bid...

 

Is it so hard to stop in at this forum after all those investigatinos and support and just say "hi, guys, thanks for the support, and btw we have an original copy for sale on eBay now"

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This Could definately be a better idea to introduce yourself to the public.

I do not think these are band members.

Each of the three was a young professional(not sure if the word "genious" will be well accepted by the rest of you) and they all succeeded in their carriers. I do not think they would consider selling the remaining copies of the CD to be a great source of an on-a-side income. Quite on the contrary, if it was Ken, or Mick or Frank-they would definitely itroduce themselves to give us-consumers the bidding confidence to the real collectors(?) value. Maybe it is someone who knew them in the past or a close friend with whom one of the musicians shared the excitement of re-discovery. Maybe it's a relative of one of the memebers. Rare photos of the band? these photos must be at least 14 years old. This is definitely..someone...I guess I know who it is...

Anyway, we shall see how it sells. Maybe Stormspell is right. If the bids don't go-the Seller will have to come up with something.

Denis.

This is too funny!!!

 

IF ya'll have read all the threads concerning the Surrender thing...and ALL of the people that were involved...like maybe the 'contact' people...then look at the eBay ID....then maybe you'd realise who it is.....if not.....then you're going to miss out!!!

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Who the f*** is Susan T? I have read all the threads but do not recall anyone with this name.

Friction are still playing in almost original "stuff" somewhere in Penn, but different music. Is it so hard to re-issue this CD? It is one of the best indies out there and I just don;t get it-the guys can make a fortune if they re-release it.

Denis.

Gorgoroth-Under the sign of hell

Masquerade-S/T Gimmy all your love....this shit rockssssss!!!!!!

Dimension Zero-Silent Night Fever

Stage Dolls-S/T

I had a feeling it would happen sooner or later.

How do you think this happened?

Crack Jaw-Nightout

Karo-Heavy Birthday

Crack Jaw-Nightout

Ceremonial Oath-The book of Truth

Treat-Scrath and bite...

First off, Ashen....since you asked for toughts..opinions..etc. I, for one, think it's definitely NOT one of the better 'Indie' recordings out there...to me, it has a Starship vibe to it...doesn't have any edge to it.....and the singer is..well...average. To me..it's boring....

 

As for its authenticity and who plays on it, well.....I guess that will remain a mystery.....haha

 

 

Oh...and why don't you try putting these types of posts in the right forum....!

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I do not have access to I-Net at home, so I have to visit HH at work. Lots of distractions,phone,etc...I guess I didn't pay attention to the fact that a posting like this should be in a different forum. Sorry about this.

Now about the band. What can I say..Of course I do not expect everyone to adore this CD just because I love it and because of the hype. I understand, JLPRocks, you have a different opinion and it is totally cool. For instance, most AOR/HR fans that I know love SPiced Ice-S/T, but I think it is pure crap.Same with Sweet Teaze. Everybody loves them, I think it's one of the worst bands in its ganre ever!!

Tastes differ and that's what makes this world beautiful. Everyone has a different evaluating criteria.

I still think that Surrender is an amazing band/album and unfortunately they followed the steps of the vast majority of super talented and prolific bands of 80s and 90s.

I was just curious whether anyone @ HH knew anything about them. I think there is nothing wrong with healthy curiousity and extreme adoration of something which is obviously lost forever.

Thank you.

Ashen.

Another possibility is that they considered their music as a hobby and never thought about doing it on a wide scale. They might as well were young people with leagal 9-5 jobs and occasionally they would gather to play music.

I'm totaly lost at this point. The vocals, the music, the production, the lyrics sound too professional for a self-released cd and I do not understand what could have possibly happened to them. Who were these people? Who wrote this wonderful music and catchy lyrics? And the singer? He is so damn good!!More than talented, but never made it big.

I still think that they probably never persued the goal of being FAMOUS and they considered this release to be just an outcome of their hobby. If this theory is wrong(which is possible) then there have to be some demo tapes or some unreleased material (maybe material for their second album), but due to some circumstances the band dissolved. Too bad and too sad.

I am dying of curiousity:does anyone know ANYTHING abouty this band or band members?

Although the asking price for this baby is insane, but I have to admit that this is probably one of the best(if not the best)self-released CDs ever(IMO). What happened to the band? They couldn't just vanish into thin air...I heard these guys were from New York, but the rumour isn't confirmed. Are band members listed on the original pressing?

A few weeks ago I got the CDr and I haven't taken it out from my car since!!!

Also, why was this CD self-produced and self-released? Does it mean that the members didn't have money to hire a professional producer and an artwork designer? Or maybe they did have money but preferred to do everything themselves?

On heavyharmonies.com , you can see a link "Surrender Homepage", but it's not available. But if there is a link-does it mean that their homepage existed before?

I just wish at least one of the members resurfaced and well, maybe tried to re-release this masterpiece...

I think this band deserves to be discussed over and over again and of course it deserves to be re-released like no other band(maybe with a few exeptions).

Any thoughts on this one?

Thank you in advance.

Ashen.

I'd advice you to track down the debuts by MASQUERADE & POLE POSITION - I haven't heard the full album by GALAXY but from the samples I heard they're very similar to my 2 recommended bands...

 

I think it'll be very hard to find something similar to "Scratch N Sniff" though...That one's very unique. But the bonus tracks off the re-issued "Matter Of Attitude" album (also by FATE) are from 1990 like the "Scratch" album.

 

Another advice is RAW SILK - "Silk Under The Skin" - Not the worlds best production but one hell of a melodic act. Similar to a lot of those Scandinavian bands like TREAT, SKAGARACK, DALTON etc.

 

The "new" Swedish bands DREAMHUNTER & AMAZE ME (debut only) are very close to perfection according to my ears. I think you'll like 'em!

 

You also mention BLUE TEARS....If you like that kind of music you also need the debut from MICHAEL SWEET in your collection

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Just wanted to take a moment and thank SCANDINAVIA for brilliant recommendation: MASQUERADE-S/t AND POLE POSITION-S/T. Great music awesome bands!!! Thank you.

Ashen.

Hey, Guys,

thank you for the feedback!!! I finally got Pole Position-S/T and Masquerade-S/T.

I think Koogles recommended these bands and guess what...what a brilliant recommendation. These bands is exactly what I was/am looking for.

I currently own all of the Hurricane except for the first one. Even though it is on e-Bay right now, but I just don't trust this seller(let's not go into details here). This CD will be my next purchase, cause the CDr isn't enough for me.I agree with Mullethead-this band is a MUST!!!

BTR is a good band , but for some reason I can get addicted to it. Hard to explain, but something is missing there. However, I got nothing against Red Square.

One more time, than you, guys for the info.

Yours,

Ashen.

Why think twice?

 

Quite simply it takes longer to receive from Canada.....just be patient for God's sakes....*shakes head* 

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My friend, it's not the 5 weeks delivery that bothers me-I am a very patient person.Read this thread one more time and you'll see that the seller ignored all of my e-mail inquiries and didn't return my phone call-that's what ticks me off. He could have let me know that it would take a while for the item to arrive, besides when he finally got back to me-after 4 weeks of silence-he wrote"..your item was shipped yesterday...", which means that he didn't even bother to ship it in time!!!

He had an excuse(I don't want to go into details) and I made a promise to take care of the feedback as soon as I receive the item-of course in timely manner.

I was logging on e-bay to leave feedback for him(a week later after he told me the item had been shipped)when I received a call from the front desk clark and he told I had a packeage. Well, I got it and I had to keep my promise-I left positive feedback. After all this seller is trustworthy .

I'm glad that everything was resolved.

They play great music though and I really enjoy the 30 minutes of Canadian AOR, which it great!

Good luck everyone and enjoy your weekends.

Ashen.

Got it today. Brand new CD . Well, what can I say: he kept his promise and I have to keep mine. Almost 5 weeks!! Next time I'll think twice before bidding or buying anything from Canada.

I'm glad that the situatoin was resolved. Great music they play-that's for sure.

My appreciation to everyone's support.

Truly yours,

Ashen.

To file a complaint with PAYPAL because you haven't received your merchandise, first log into your PAYPAL account.  Then, go to the top and click "resolution center".

Look in the options given for "File A Claim" near the top left.............

 

Follow the prompts and you will be assisted in obtaining your transaction code and asked for details of the transaction. 

 

Finally.........be patient after filing the complaint.  Let the system do the work.  Don't start e mailing the seller trying to intimidate him since you've filed a complaint.  Just remain in a neutral position and BE PATIENT.  The seller may contact you about the claim.  If so, my suggestion is to courteously tell the seller that when the item arrives, you will certainly notify him it has arrived safely and will promptly cancel the complaint.    Finally, thank him for his update!

If he doesn't contact you............just wait and be patient (the hard part). 

 

Hope this helps and good luck!

Delbert

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Thanks, Delbert-I appreciate it. I'll wait till Wednesday and if the item isn't here-I'll do it. I got his e-mail on Thursday, Jan-13-05 where he indicated that item had been shipped. So, Wednesday, Jan-19-05 will be one week which I think is enough for the item to arrive from Canada to the U.S.

Once again, Delbert, your assistance is appreciated.

Ashen.

Hey, Scandinavia, want to thank you for the brilliant recommendation-Pole Position.

Although the melodic side is a little different from Galaxy-S/T and Fate-Scratch'n Sniff, but it's an amazing band and definately I hear similar guitar patterns.

Great CD, great recommendation. Thanks.

Ashen.

I wouldnt take this for an excuse if I was you - he could have easily contacted you using eBay contact feature, or a web-based e-mail address, or even call you on the phone if he has to. I've heard so many lame excuses on eBay, and so far no one have lived up to their promises, not a single person, go figure!

Plus, if you have paid on December 13-04 and wait another two weeks you will cross the deadline and wont be able to request PayPal refund in my opinion. It is your call though.

I wouldnt leave neg now (you always can do this at a later stage up to 90 days), but definitely would file with PayPal right away.

Thanks, Stormspell. I'll wait till Wednesday and if I still don't get the item-I'll file with paypal. By the way, can you tell me how it works? I never had to do it before.

Thank you in advance.

Hey, Delber and MButt, thank you for the info-that's a good thing to know.

Here is the news: the seller contacted me yesterday via e-mail . He apologized for the delay saying that he had to deal with " with a email/hacking scam with my web provider (3 months now)"-which is understandable. Shit can happen to all of us.

I promised to hold the feedback till the moment I get the CD. However, if it doesn't arrive for another two weeks-I'm not even going to warn him: I will leave horrible feedback and file a complaint with paypal and e-bay-I think it will be fare.

I'll keep you informed on this situation.

Your,

Ashen.

Well..i guess i am gonna hafta follow through with my call to Dave Bennett, to see if he has any extra Friction /Baby Talk cds in his possession..thanks for the info..Danny

 

 

Unfortunately (depending if you are buyer or seller), that FRICTION - Baby Talk CD is very pricey.   I agree with Jim in that you'd expect to pay in the $500 range for an original copy.   I sold one about a year and a half ago on E bay and it fetched $665.00 which floored me at the time.....I didn't realize it was so in demand and hard to find.   Another sold on E Bay late this past year for over $500, so I would enjoy the CDR if I were you!!

 

As far as the mail coming out of Canada, I receive packages from Europe and Japan two or three times faster than anything arrives from Canada.   And they are our neighbors......go figure!!   BUT, I sure hate those sellers who ignore your e mails.......just plain rude if you ask me.

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It's January 13 today and still no Shelter-S/T. It's been excactly one month.

The seller still hasn't responded yet and he will get negative feedback, that's for sure. And I do not really care whether it's J.T. himself or even Roko Kohlmeyer.

Stay Rock, HH Family!!!!

Ashen.

The two sellers that I had problems with were priceunlimited and in*vintage. They have some decent products, but no communication

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I didn't realize Friction was that pricy....

Hey, T-Bone, you are 1000% right!!! It's very anoying when there is no communication. And it's not even about the money-it's the fact itself.