Mike Tuinstra

Never read the commotion, yet it's always there. This site stands for AOR/Hard Rock music in general which means any artist with a record in that style should be included. All for expanding database, good music's good music. If you've got a problem with that stick to your own ideals like going to the Brutal Metal section. Everything's pretty much said already.

Sounds very promising! It's indeed new as the album says Hell Yeah! which will be their upcoming one. Also note the about section where the new disc is described as classic sound.

I just wanna say, and I'm not limiting this to Bon Jovi, why do we always wanna hear them return to their old sound? If we wanna hear that we can listen to their old records. But their new records will be new material and a new sound. I get caught up in that mentality, too, but I have to realize that the sound I've grown to love will always be there, on compact disc. So when new albums are dropped, why can't we just accept them for what they are, knowing we can always return to the glory days with a simple touch of a button?

No complaint for evolution as long as done right, problem is less quality and losing trademark sound. Deliver us the goods and we'll be more than happy to share excitement.

Well I'll admit I'm excited. Even after a couple of disappointing discs, I will never write off a Bon Jovi album until I've heard every song on it. I, for one, loved 'Have a Nice Day' and that alone showed me they still have what it takes to produce the goods. Granted there were a lot of fillers and it's no 'Keep the faith', but I'm looking forward to hear what they do next.

 

And for the record, I think 'Lost Highway' destroys 'Sparkle Face of Turds'.

Never write a Bon Jovi record off until you hear it, backed right there. Now I haven't been big on anything by them ever since Keep The Faith and they're a long way from the power Rock glory of the past but they're still Bon Jovi at heart. I for one do believe that with the current industry changes regarding a new generation interest in melodic Rock Bon Jovi might in fact dig up their old guns and shoot them for old times sake.

Good read...

 

 

 

http://www.metalsludge.tv/home/index.php?o...1&Itemid=42

Just read it a moment before coming here on the original forums, classic.

Posers, I think is the word you gents are looking for.

Just another way of saying it really. If you stand for something namely good Rock music, acknowledge a song but withdraw statement when artist revealed than you are a poser just as much as a hypocrite in my book.

Okay, so a couple of weeks ago I asked a friend if they had heard the new Hinder album - their response? "God no" so I waited a few days and sent "Loaded And Alone" and "Heaven Sent" so cleverly disguised as "Track 2" and "Track 8" respectively. I just had this conversation with the person:

 

ME So, didja listen to those mp3's??

THEM: : no, i can now

THEM not my thing

THEM track 2

THEM who is this?

ME Not your thing?? You've gotta be kidding me .... it's SO your thing you could be playing on it LOL

THEM:: i dont like his voice

THEM: it's not the songs

ME: Well, yeah .....

THEM: the songs are good

THEM: but his voice....who is this?

ME: The Ratt of the new generation .....

ME: ....... Hinder

THEM: it is?

ME: Yup

THEM yuk

THEM: lana LOVES them

THEM so they must suck donkey balls

ME: LOL See, 10 seconds you liked the songs but nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww "yuck"

THEM i dont like the guitars either

ME: Oy!

 

hahahahahahahahahahahaha So, there ya go. Hinder will make one more Amazon sale tomorrow I bet ya.

Good read, sounds very my department haha! I often like contacting friends and the like about high standard quality ouput from a certain artist or band that doesn't necessarily live up to their stereotype and shock them gracefully with their true identity. It's great fun alright. Classic response: "Wow, I sure love this! Who is it?? X! Oh, it's alright. Nothing special really...". Hypocrites LOL!

They've been released (4 songs) recently on a few torrent sites. Odd it happens now. In answer to your question, Matty-Boo, I don't know.

Definitely like what I'm hearing. Even though they seem to be direct copycats of Def Leppard they have stellar outputs. I'd say keep an eye on this band right here. They seem to be working on their very own full length debut album as of now. Could do big things when done right.

Wow mateys, 'classic' is a huge call, but it's... different.

Admittedly it's too early for me to tell what the staying power will be overall, but I would not hesitate to say it is by far one of the most diverse and interesting albums to be released this year.

 

I'll agree with the interesting and diverse comment but I haven't got to the point of calling it classic yet.

I do think it's very good, but just with it was called Axl Rose instead of GNR.

And as Pete said it's also to early for me to tell what kind of staying power it's gonna have.

Before you even ask, yes I know how fucking lazy I am...

 

Here's a post I put on another board asking whether people liked the old Guns or the new... just figured I'd throw it out there 'cause that's just how I am. Techinically I totally agree with your comment about calling it "Axl Rose" as opposed to G'n'R but with the marketing power of the G'n'R name, I can say for sure I would have done the same thing as he did!

 

I like 'em both, Axl's songwriting fuels the fire of both entities IMO. The styles of the individual musicians adds a different flavor on the newer stuff, but to me you've still got Axl at the heart of it, maybe even more so since he's got a lot more control with the new project.

 

If anything, Chinese Democracy continues the creative progression from Use Your Illusion. Complex arrangements, sweeping almost soundtrack style instrumental melodies. The main thing that I don't see in the new stuff is the raw, bluesy style of Slash and the rest of the old crew (who other than Slash and Duff, changed a couple times between Appetite and Illusion and beyond).

 

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Appetite, and Use Your Illusion was very good, but would have been better distilled down into one album as opposed to the filler laden two disc extravaganza. Lies was okay, and Spaghetti Incident was a fucking cover album so IMHO we're only looking at two "real" releases by the band, and it had changed significantly between the two. Not sure why there's so much hating with the new stuff. It's got a few modern bells and whistles here and there, but underneath is 14 ambitious Axl Rose songs, they sure as hell aren't modern/alternative sounding, if anything maybe a bit TOO ambitious.

 

Overall I think it's by far one of the most interesting albums to come out this year and has the potential of becoming a classic. That being said, Appetite already is a classic and I don't think that will change anytime soon. Bottom line, everyone's got the right to an opinion, but only my opinion is actually right...

 

...kidding, either you like it or you don't, but having listened to the album numerous times I can say without a doubt that Axl put his heart and soul into this. It's up to you whether you like it or not. :-)

I think the above gives a perfect description about what Chinese Democracy really is. It's Axl's very own creative input which naturally means the raw Blues and straight forward Hard Rock of the rest of the gang is absent. However what I'd like to add is that I think it lacks some catchyness. I don't see no surefire hit potention ala Paradise City, Sweet Child 'O Mine here noir UYI's You Could Be Mine or Don't Cry even though some songs are close it's basically another level. I do see the other components such as epicness and drama. Overall a pretty good achievement for a solo input, not a big fan of the Industrial attempts though. This one's obviously purely for the fans as there's no promotion or whatsoever.

Funny but very closed-minded and also dead wrong. Emancipation ain't her last album by the way, it's E=MC2 plus Mariah Carey debut, Emotions and Music Box are missing. Lots of these songs have in fact different lyrical contents and meaning even though most fit into a love theme. Grunge must be more appealing to you instead. Whining about how depressed you are, about to slit your wrists must be 7th heaven. Yeah, I can categorize just as much. The funny thing is that you spend all this time to type up these big messages about it LOL! Trying to prove your point she's no good which stays subjective no matter what anyway. You don't like her but I do, deal with variety of opinion.

 

Obviously, you search around the internet, looking for places to drop yer idol's name to possibly boost sales. More than likely a hired shill, if you haven't figured it out already, you (and Mariah) are considered a complete joke here. Jesus, pal - I couldn't sift through any more of that crap if I were paid to; it's just that fucking gawdawful, piss-poor bad. As for grunge, I hate it with a passion, as much as I despise Ms. Plastic Tits warbling crappola; grunge to me is what you scrape off the inside rim of a toilet - much like what I'd describe as Mariah's contribution to music. And if you can't figure out the Gillette Blue Blade comment was made as a form of exaggeration, then you're stupider than you seem - waaaaaaay stupider. The time I spent researching Mariah's bowel movements masquerading as lyrics were actually a hoot - I've rarely laughed so hard in all my life. Cheese that sloppy is usually reserved for an Arby's melt of some form or another. As for proving my point, I don't have to - the vast majority of people on this site don't give her shitty music the time of day; her fake goombollas are another matter entirely, which should tell you how big of a joke she is. You like her, but many don't - deal with reality, and please quit trying to ram her garbage down everyone's throat. Boy! Are you ever fuckin' stupid!

Hah, such closed-mindedness. Don't you see your own comments are biatched? What are you trying to prove or rather what purpose have these posts? Who's throwing garbage to who? It's more like you telling me and everyone else not to like Mariah Carey than vice versa now, isn't it? Nonetheless it's a pretty fun read seeing where you stand only I'd lose the cursing if I were you. You obviously don't know me or could ever understand me with such prejudical attitude. For the record, I ain't got no idols. It's always been just me and my very own guideline. Conclusion not everything's based on shallow boxing being your everyday typical cliche stereotype listener. As I said I know exactly where you stand, discussion closed. But if it's any comfort, I hate Grunge with a passion just as much, probably more than you so rather than mindless argueing about stuff we disagree on we could actually team up making a stand against Alternative. However judging from your lyrical department that would seem like something you'd be interested in, good to see that is at least not the case so ti sento.

Okay, people. I decided to put my money where my mouth is by going over the lyrical content of Mariah Carey’s last 6 studio albums to find this so-called variance of topics a certain poster has claimed Ms. Carey possesses. It wasn’t easy; in fact, it was pure hell – especially trying to decipher the street-level banter her co-writers (and I use that term loosely) choose to work in. I have chosen to enter my descriptions in that street level-banter to give you a view from my perspective of their perspective. It is in no way racial, so please don’t crawl up my ass about that dead horse. Here we go:

 

The Emancipation Of Mimi (2005)

 

1) It’s Like That – Hey, peeps. Get up and dance like mindless idiots.

2) We Belong Together – Hey, boy. I done ya wrong.

3) Shake It Off – Hey, boy. Ya done me wrong.

4) Mine Again – Hey, boy. I Lost ya. I wants ya back.

5) Say Somethin’ – Hey, boy. Let’s get busy.

6) Stay The Night – Hey, boy. Let’s get busy – again.

7) Get Your Number – Hey, boy. Gimme your number; then, we’ll get busy.

8) One And Only – Hey, boy. Ya done me wrong. So listen to my tough, gutter language while I quote Fleetwood Mac.

9) Circles – Hey, boy. Ya done me wrong. (Apparently guys like to bang her and then vamoose a whole lot)

10) Your Girl – Hey, boy. Let’s get busy.

11) I Wish You Knew – Hey, boy. I really luvs ya.

12) To The Floor (Tonight) – Hey, boy. Look at me; then we’ll get busy – possibly on the floor.

13) Fly Like A Bird – Hey, Lord. I luvs ya, so take me away.

 

 

Charmbracelet (2002)

 

1) Through The Rain – Hey, peeps. Things are tough, but I’ll make it.

2) Boy (I Need You) – Hey, boy. I’m dreamin’ about ya. – (Undoubtedly not in a wholesome way either)

3) The One – Hey, boy. I wantcha, but I’m scared. – (Maybe about NOT getting laid)

4) Yours – Hey, boy. I really luvs ya.

5) You Got Me – Hey, boy. I really luvs ya.

6) I Only Wanted – Hey, boy. I lost ya.

7) Clown – Hey, boy. Ya done me wrong.

8) My Saving Grace – Hey, Lord. I found ya.

9) You Had Your Chance – Hey, boy. Ya done me wrong.

10) Lullaby – Hey, boy. I wants ya back. – (She actually does say “Hey, boy” in this one)

11) Irresistible – Hey, boy. I really, really, really luvs ya.

12) Subtle Invitation – Hey, boy. I wants ya back. (Offhand, I’d bet to get busy)

13) Bringin’ On The Heartache – (What kind of ego changes another artists’ title of a song?)

14) Sunflowers (For Alfred Carey) – Hey, Dad. I miss ya now you’re dead.

15) Through The Rain (R&B Remix) – See Track 1.

 

Glitter (2001)

 

1) Loverboy (remix) – Hey, boy. Let’s get busy.

2) Lead The Way – Hey, boy. I really luvs ya. – (Either that, or she’s thinkin’ of getting’ kinky with Jesus)

3) If We – Hey, boy(s). I really luvs ya both, so let’s get busy. (Could be about a 3-way. Who knows?)

4) Didn’t Mean To Turn You On – Hey, boy. I don’t luvs ya, and I don’t wants ta get busy. So pour some ice water on ya dick.

5) All My Life – Hey, boy. I really luvs ya, and let’s get busy.

6) Reflections (Care Enough) – Hey, Ma. Didn’t ya just luvs me? I’s heartbroken.

7) Last Night A DJ Saved My Life – Hey, DJ, boy. I luvs ya. Thanks for makin’ me dance. Now, come bone me.

8) Want You – Hey, boy. I really luvs ya.

9) Never Too Far – Hey, boy. I really luvs ya, and I misses ya, too.

10) Twister – Hey, girl. You wuz my friend. Now you’s dead.

11) Loverboy – See Track 1.

 

Rainbow (1999)

 

1) Heartbreaker – Hey, boy. You’s bad, but I wants ta get busy witchoo.

2) Heartbreaker – See Track 1 – (Uh, it’s the same dumb song with different rap a-holes, I guess)

3) Heartbreaker (missy remix) – See Tracks 1 & 2. – (Uh, the same song 3 tracks in a row? What gives?)

4) Heartbreaker (junior’s club remix) – See Tracks 1, 2 & 3 – (This is gettin’ ridiculous. Leading off an album with same song 4(!) times???? WTF????)

5) Can’t Take That Away – Hey, peeps. I’m hot shit.

6) Bliss – Hey, boy. Let’s get busy.

7) How Much – Hey, boy. I really luvs ya.

8) After Tonight – Hey, boy. Thanks for gettin’ busy wit’ me.

9) Against All Odds – Hey, boy. I wants ya back. – (Good, Lord! Phil Collins made even more putrid! Yikes!)

10) Crybaby – Hey, boy. Ya done me wrong, an’ I ain’t forgettin’ – though it WAS fun getting’ busy.

11) Did I Do That – Hey, boy. Ya done me wrong. (Either that, or she farted and cleared out a room)

12) Petals. – Hey, family. I really luvs youse – even though you remind me of dandelions (which are weeds)

13) Rainbow – Hey, Rainbow. I really luvs ya. And I’ll be okie dokie when I find your end. (Either that, or she wants to munch Ritchie Blackmore’s knob)

14) Thank God I Found You – Hey, boy. I really luvs ya. And I owe it all to God. Glory be!

15) Thank God I Found You (remix) – See Track 14 – Hey, boy. I STILL really luvs ya. And I owe it all to God all the more. Glory be to the power of 2!

 

Butterfly (1997)

 

1) Honey – Hey, boy. I really luvs ya. Let’s get busy.

2) Butterfly – Hey, boy. I really loves ya, and I wants ya back.

3) My All – Hey, boy. I really luvs ya, AND I wants ya back yet again.

4) The Roof – Hey, boy. I wants ta get busy witchoo again – preferably on a roof again in the rain. – (Wow! Kinky bitch.)

5) The Roof (remix) – See Track 4 – (Apparently, she REALLY likes gettin’ boned on a rooftop in the rain)

6) Fourth Of July – Hey, boy. Remember when we got busy that night? (Apparently, her patriotism consists of sneakin’ off an’ gettin’ poked under a fireworks display)

7) Breakdown – Hey, boy. Ya done me wrong.

8) Breakdown (remix) – See Track 7 – (Same old, same old)

9) Baby Doll – Hey, boy. C’mon over an’ bone me in my hotel room.

10) Close My Eyes – Hey, peeps. I was abused. – (Contrived, banal and utterly unmoving. Any lyricist with talent could pen this slop on autopilot)

11) Whenever You Call – Hey, boy. I really luvs ya, and can’t wait to get busy. – (What kind of airhead follows up a song about child abuse with a song about wanting to get laid? God! What an imbecile!)

12) Fly Away – Hey, peeps. Don’t be afraid to die. – (Please, Mariah – show us how it’s done)

13) The Beautiful Ones – Hey, boy. Pick me, or da other bitch. Hint – I’s a better ho for sho’ for ya.

14) Outside – Hey, peeps. I’s so confused. – (After slogging through 5 entire fucking albums of this lyrical wasteland, I only have one reply to her claim of apparent confusion – NO FUCKIN’ SHIT????)

 

Daydream (1995)

 

1) Fantasy – Hey, boy. I really luvs ya, and I just can’t wait ta gat busy witchoo. – (“Shoe do do do do do do do. Shoe do do do do do do yeah”) – (Wow! Thought-provoking, or what?)

2) Underneath The Stars – Hey, boy. I really luvs ya, so let’s just IMAGINE we’re getting’ busy. – (Gee, what a stretch)

3) One Sweet Day – Hey, whomever I knew that died. I’ll sees ya in heaven someday, sugah.

4) Open Arms – Hey, boy. I really luvs ya. Glad you is back ta bone me.

5) Always Be My Baby – Hey, boy. I really luvs ya, but ya wants ta vamoose, so’s I’ll gives ya yo’ freedom, but I’d takes ya back – probably ‘cause I likes the bonin’s ya gives. – (“Do do doop. Do do doop do doop da dum.”) – (Can we quote you on that, Mariah?)

6) I Am Free – Hey, Lord. A big up for straightenin’ out my confusion – at least until it came time to penning more lyrics – then, the dementia set in again)

7) When I Saw You – Hey, boy. I really luvs ya. If only for the superficial reason that you is one foxy, hunky fella wit’ a nine inch hogleg pokin’ out da edge of yo’ denim cut-offs. Eeeeeeee!!

8) Long Ago – Hey, boy. I really luvved ya once upon a time. An’ that humpin’ we did wuz oh-so-dee-light-full! Super freaky! Owwwwwww!!!

9) Melt Away – Hey, boy. I wants ta bone ya – Like right fuckin’ now, Mofo!!!!

10) Forever – Hey, boy. I still really luvs ya, an’ I still really, really misses ya.

11) Dream Interlude – Hey, boy. I really duz dream abouts ya sneakin’ into my room whiles I sleeps an’ givin’ me yo dick. – (Jeezus fucking Pleezus! I can’t take much more of reading over this slop. It is mind-numbing, at best)

12) Looking In – Hey, peeps. Ya thinks ya knows me. Guess again. I’s hot shit.

 

Okay, that’s it – NO MAS! After slogging through 6 excruciatingly bad albums of lyrics, I simply cannot stomach any more. When you consider she has 3 other studio albums (not to mention a fucking Christmas album) filled with garbage lyrical topics such as the ones above, I’d be reaching for the Gillette Blue Blade if I had to soldier on with descriptions of their banality. She explores roughly 10 different topics over 69 tracks – many of them – check that – COUNTLESS of them, professing her love for some dude, the fact she wants to bang him, or BOTH in the same damned song. Christ! The way she carries on, you’d swear she falls head-over-heels for every goof she meets, hikes up her skirt at least a dozen times a day, and then gets dropped like a hot potato. And then she wonders why???? And this poop gets nominated for awards?????? I knew the Grammys were a sham, but this research cements the realization that they’re an out and out farce. Holy fuck, compadres – I can pull more thought-provoking lyrics out of my ass without even trying. This is the “talent” someone is trying to make me aware of??? Give me a royal, fuckin’ break. Plain and simple, folks – her lyrics suck cocks, and judging by their topic, she does, too – a lot – a WHOLE HELLUVA lot. Apparently 24 hours a day. How does she ever find time to sing around all these amorous adventures she’s waxing on about? The time I took to research this crap was not a total loss though, for if I have helped steer one person away from delving into her work in any small way, I feel I’ve perhaps saved a life. Next stop – the sanitarium to recover.

Funny but very closed-minded and also dead wrong. Emancipation ain't her last album by the way, it's E=MC2 plus Mariah Carey debut, Emotions and Music Box are missing. Lots of these songs have in fact different lyrical contents and meaning even though most fit into a love theme. Grunge must be more appealing to you instead. Whining about how depressed you are, about to slit your wrists must be 7th heaven. Yeah, I can categorize just as much. The funny thing is that you spend all this time to type up these big messages about it LOL! Trying to prove your point she's no good which stays subjective no matter what anyway. You don't like her but I do, deal with variety of opinion.

Wow! Two whole songs out of an entire career. Not exactly a great job of selling there. Does she (or the label) actually pay you to try to turn on the world to her watered-down pap? I'm betting no one here is taking the bait, as Top 40 shit is generally met with disdain here. Try spreading the word on yahoo's OMG - there are loads of mindless sheep reading that on a regular basis. As for me, I prefer something with a much harder edge, and not career-fueled by a publicity machine keeping them in the news. Yes, you'll find it on yahoo's OMG, folks. "Mariah buys new pair of shoes!" Big headline for the small minded. "Battle Of The Bowel Movements! Who Rules? Britney, Or Mariah?" By and large, we KNOW who Mariah Carey is, and for all intents and purposes, we just don't give a fuck. The fact remains it's lightweight, syrupy pap the musical equivalent of Cheez Whiz with a distinct lack of impressive musicianship. The label buys the contributions of studio musicians, but the entire project is sold as the Mariah Carey Show with piddling credits handed out to those people, and who wants to pour their soul into a project like that? The label may buy their notes, but they certainly don't buy their soul; ie. - the musicians are only doing it for the money. No one ever says, "Did you hear Joe Blow's guitar solo on Mariah's latest single?" Know why? Because the label only gives a shit about selling Mariah's voice and image. At least we knew it was Steve Vai, Billy Sheehan and Gregg Bissonette playing behind David Lee Roth. They got deserved credit for all they did and publicity aplenty because they were fantastic musicians in their own right and were recognized as such. Who plays drums for Mariah? Bass? Guitar? Keyboards? Nobody knows. If they weren't being paid scale and had a known name of their own, it would detract from the money machine, and that's a crock of shit. Want to remain anonymous? Agree to join a Pop diva's backing band, and no one will ever know your name. Give me a band effort, where they share the credit over an egotistical, look-at-me, I'm-the-Star, performer any day. Rock fans care about the people involved in recordings; we want to know who they are; we appreciate their hard work. Pop fans don't give a shit about anyone but the focal point, and buy into any slop the label pushes on them. They are of the opinion that musicians are disposable, who are secondary, or merely non-existent to THE VOICE. That is what Pop is all about, and I have no time for it. It's based upon greed - the name makes a bundle; the label makes an even bigger bundle, and the lowly musicians get fuck all for their efforts. And please don't bring up anything about Grammy Awards and others of their ilk, as those awards are a sham. There is no other way to explain how a band such as Rush can create a piece of perfection known as Moving Pictures and not even get a sniff of a nomination for Album of the Year, yet a nasal-toned, whimpering pansy like Justin Timberlake will undoubtedly get nominated for every album he puts out for the laughable reason that his publicity mill ensures it. But feel free to defend Pop all you like; it obviously floats your boat, but the bottom line is it just ain't gonna sell here.

I'm a free spirit who could never be categorized in boxes by the masses living up to their standard. No one ever tells me what to do or what to like. Because I like Rock music it doesn't mean I can't like Pop and vice versa. Because I like the one thing it doesn't mean I can't like the other. I'd like to take my personal best out of the music industry in its entirety, conclusion I ain't no stereotype listener. Me being here telling you my philosophy actually backs that up. E.g. I dislike plenty of Pop myself, I can't stand Justin Timberlake or his contemporaries. But than again I don't like everything in Rock either, the Alternative siding with Grunge etcetera I loath.

What you're stating is Pop vs. Rock music in terms of contribution input. But as you already state quite good yourself it's an entirely different market. Yes, Rock in general indeed has another culture than Pop where in most cases all musicians are known to its public. Although when Mariah brings in a household Rock name like Dave Navarro he's getting his public featuring credit. As for my musical judgement I rather resort to the music itself and whether something to my ears sounds good or not.

Mariah's a singer-songwriter who writes her own songs from scratch, most of her songs are 80% written by herself with a good 20% of a writing partner which differs a great deal to most of the industry and all its Britneys and Christinas. Even Whitney Houston, another good artist in my book does not write herself where Mariah does. Outside songwriters are credited and thus benefit from the royalties as they have their contribution on black and white. For the recordings session musicians are hired who get their fair share as well. It 's fact Mariah's marketed as a solo artist instead of a band because it's her very own vision and input first of all. That plus the fact Mariah's career is based on her voice more than anything else, her voice is her instrument. The people involved only come in to realize the project's outing.

And don't play smart with me with the 2 whole songs out of an entire career thing cause obviously I'm merely stating examples as I don't quite feel like analyzing an entire discography as of now. I do understand your preference though and ain't selling anything here. I once opened a topic to see interest in good fun but this here's not my doing. It's a Kanye West topic created by the other guy remember?

There's a reason I ignore Pop, rap, and hip hop. It's generic pap aimed at the lowest common denominator. Give me a band that write and arrange their own material and have no interest in being referenced on Oprah over Pop divas, who all sound like they're singing the same fucking song on the same fucking topic anyway. Their lyrics are the same relationship claptrap done over and over again ad nauseum. Perfect if you're interested in fast food for your ears; grating if you're looking for substance and variety of topic. How many times can Mariah Carey warble on about faux emotional bullshit anyway? Show me some evil; show me some terror; whisk me away to a mystical land, but don't bore the fuck out of me waxing on about a relationship between her and some cutesy-pie hunk she met on the beach, or whatever the fuck other ballady shit she caterwauls about. You can have the greatest voice in the world, but if you do the same repetitive, syrupy drivel every time out, the lowest common denominator can have you. There are those that believe Mariah Carey can release an album of fart sounds and it would be nominated for album of the year. It would, which just goes to show you how meaningful all her crappy awards are. Please stay on Top 40 radio, Mariah - far fucking away from my ears.

As you're taking on Mariah Carey I can immediately state she's got plenty of other material than your standard lyric or repetitive beat. Kanye yes but Mariah no, wrong example. You just need to look into it a bit better which I'm sure you're not willing to do leaving me with no other conclusion than addressing as cliche prejudicing. She has just as much songs in different genres as she has lyrical content. Sure love remains an important aspect of the music as hate ain't going far either. The exact same goes for a lot of music on this site. They're about love and sexual anthems. But if you want another take in message listen to There's Got To Be A Way which addresses political apartheid issues or even recently Right To Dream talking about a young woman survivng in an abusive world. And as stated above already she has the world in different sounds so what would you like to hear? Pop, Rock, R&B, Dance, Jazz or what? Nothing at all obviously but here you go.

i'm thinking along the lines of cher's late 80's aor tastic gems....

As soon as I saw all this talk that's instantly what I thought of.

 

I was playing pool in his house with my brother up in Forster two weekends ago, listening to the Cher songs on my Ipod. Goddamn we were living the gangster life.

 

well you are rumoured to be a sydney gangster according to the various sites linked nsw police force..

There's no better proof than the corpses stacked up in my garage, just waiting for an empty paddock.

 

hmmm phafas has dissapeared.. what have you done to him?

He's in my bedroom, "getting ready".

While at it could you do Kanye as well for a moment? He sure as heck deserves a release from this topic and board as a whole LOL! You might want to cut him into little pieces so he'll fit into your freezer though. Singing got the serial killer blues, get the bodies to your dumpster.

Those two songs are crap, but I enjoyed some of the snapshots. In all honesty, it doesn't surprise me in the least to know she has some AOR recordings out there from the late 80's. Wasn't a lot of her early stuff pretty much just big ballads that AOR fans might not hate anyway? I can't see me ever being interested in her stuff (musically), but I'm sure there's some nice stuff for the whussy AOR fans out there.

 

Very true, plus lots of different styles. Mariah was never a Hip Hop singer or just another amateur hook girl, always been a Pop artist so therefore she can explode into any direction possible. She has explored in many styles like Pop, Rock, R&B, Dance, Jazz etcetera. You Need Me from her debut was Hard Rock and Someday more Pop/Rock to name a couple of songs that might interest this forum.

 

Mariah Carey - You Need Me

 

Mariah Carey - Someday

 

Now, if you aren't a fan of her singing and never been one there's no way on earth anything will make you like her music but for the open-minded listener I'd say give it a spin once released. Mariah's known as one of the greatest voices ever and the daughter of an Opera singer herself. To combine that voice with good Rock music standard is pure bliss in my book.

Haha mate... not sure I'd call 'You need me' hard rock... sounds like Michael Jackson to me... except with a heavily lunged female on vocals. 'Someday' is pop. I don't dislike her voice and would be more than happy to give this mystery AOR disc a go if it is like you say it is. Why not.

Okay, fair enough. I kinda expected that but at least some has a Pop/Rock undertone which is my point. But true big chorus catchy AOR might just interest you, even from Mariah Carey it might. But that we shall see once it is in fact put out. I wouldn't sell a Rap tape as AOR so therefore it could never hurt, what purpose has that anyway? Kanye and the like I dislike just as hard myself so there you go. I liked Mariah most when she first came out, for an entire decade there was none of that stuff going on in her music. Only since the late 90's there was some switching to the past late 90's/early 00's generation taste. But the Pop artist she is she can always switch back or at least evolve.

Those two songs are crap, but I enjoyed some of the snapshots. In all honesty, it doesn't surprise me in the least to know she has some AOR recordings out there from the late 80's. Wasn't a lot of her early stuff pretty much just big ballads that AOR fans might not hate anyway? I can't see me ever being interested in her stuff (musically), but I'm sure there's some nice stuff for the whussy AOR fans out there.

Very true, plus lots of different styles. Mariah was never a Hip Hop singer or just another amateur hook girl, always been a Pop artist so therefore she can explode into any direction possible. She has explored in many styles like Pop, Rock, R&B, Dance, Jazz etcetera. You Need Me from her debut was Hard Rock and Someday more Pop/Rock to name a couple of songs that might interest this forum.

Mariah Carey - You Need Me

Mariah Carey - Someday

Now, if you aren't a fan of her singing and never been one there's no way on earth anything will make you like her music but for the open-minded listener I'd say give it a spin once released. Mariah's known as one of the greatest voices ever and the daughter of an Opera singer herself. To combine that voice with good Rock music standard is pure bliss in my book.

i wonder if mariah still has a collection of pop rock tunes she recorded during the late 80's which is supposedly good enough to enjoy for any decent aor fan.....

She has 'em alright but just needs to release it on a rarities album. You can look some information up on her Wikipedia page of unreleased material. In 2005 she bought all the rights from Sony so now it's up to her when she's putting them out. An estimate was made sometime around 2010. It's just like the Shania Twain disc which is also on this page where Mariah got the material as well.

I'm Confused...aren't you the "Mariah Carey's Gonna release a Hard Rock record" Guy??

 

 

Someone's beginning to realize, it was about time huh? LOL! I think you just stated the obvious, I'm one and the same but never what you figured me for in the first place. If I may be so bold to give you a little tip here, never categorize Mariah Carey and Kanye West as the same type of artist. But what can I say, ignorance remains bliss. Even though your current observation would deviate Mariah's a true Pop artist while Kanye just another wannabe rapper. Yes, Mariah explored into the Hip Hop genre and yes she even worked with Kanye at some point but she's in no way definition Hip Hop singer. On the contrary her repertoire varies a great deal in genres of which some do in fact fit the description of this forum. An example for it is a You Need Me of her debut album and lots of rarities in 80's recordings with Fade Away AOR and the like. You bet ya once you hear those releases you'd be adjusting your opinion. And they shall be released on which moment I provide y'all with the ear candy.

 

Smart observation but they're just not playing games. Kanye talks, he doesn't actually make music and that's where I draw the line. The political gimmick does not justifiy his lack of musical output. And the vocoder vocal's just plain bad as he's not a singer noir can he ever sing. I resort to what I said before, he should stick to producing and put out an Electronica album or something in the like.

Never what I figured you for What?? Dude I just asked you a simple question nothin more or less..as far as Mariah Carey goes she's a hip hop singer...NOT AOR or even POP...clean the crap outta your ears...

The little comment you left on my page, ring any bells? And even if you didn't it's the obvious. Mariah's only a Hip Hop singer in your own divergent opinion which simply remains incorrect. She's a singer/songwriter Pop artist if anything and even has a crossover acoustic Country Pop ballad song she penned with Willie Nelson where she sings and plays guitar currently sent to AC radio. Her current album's Pop as well so shows how much you know but than again what do you know as you haven't looked into anything at all.

But look pal, I didn't came here to fight. We both like this Rock music so let's keep it at that as far as we go around here. You don't like Mariah Carey, I do so big deal. I merely addressed you lumping her in with Kanye and the like but understand the type of listener you are.

didn't kanye say he was raised on aor as a young kid & journey is his fave band... gee.. what a way to turn out

 

What a way indeed. This is a Hard Rock forum, actual good music ya know. We're like the antheisis of Crap and Shit Shot meaning we won't hesitate to eliminate while given the next best chance. And we shall prevail, Rock just needs to use Pop music again like they used to in the 80's. Hip Hop's been having it pretty easy past decade as you have nothing to fear from Alternative wussies but us here are a whole different story. The minute we reclaim attitude it's bye bye wannabe crapper no more bitches in the club for you. And don't give me your political crying cause it ain't nothing more but a gimmick. Lyrical content doesn't equal good music, without actual melody it's nothing more but cheap talk.

 

Kanye can try all he wants but in the end he ain't nothing more than a marketing puppet, the sole reason for the anti climax of him hitting #1 over GNR next on. Now GNR isn't promoting, their sales are based on first interest only so I'd say that's pretty darn impressive but Kanye's desperate.

 

As for the music itself I can be very brief. The guy went from rapping to sing through a vocoder over recycled beats from Tears For Fears and the like, enuff said. This actually doesn't only make him worthless but a thief as well in my book. And that's not only Kanye but just about all of them now, isnt it? Just take a look at it, songs stolen from Whitesnake, Van Halen, Toto and the list goes on. Bottom line, Hip Hop's nowhere without us in the first place. We practically own them, we've made them and we shall destroy them again.

 

As an advice for Mr. West I'd say if he's really into AOR why not explore more into that direction? Maybe he can do a little something with Electronica, be a keyboardist, producer or whatever. If you strip down some of his latest outputs that's pretty much where it leads.

I'm Confused...aren't you the "Mariah Carey's Gonna release a Hard Rock record" Guy??

Someone's beginning to realize, it was about time huh? LOL! I think you just stated the obvious, I'm one and the same but never what you figured me for in the first place. If I may be so bold to give you a little tip here, never categorize Mariah Carey and Kanye West as the same type of artist. But what can I say, ignorance remains bliss. Even though your current observation would deviate Mariah's a true Pop artist while Kanye just another wannabe rapper. Yes, Mariah explored into the Hip Hop genre and yes she even worked with Kanye at some point but she's in no way definition Hip Hop singer. On the contrary her repertoire varies a great deal in genres of which some do in fact fit the description of this forum. An example for it is a You Need Me of her debut album and lots of rarities in 80's recordings with Fade Away AOR and the like. You bet ya once you hear those releases you'd be adjusting your opinion. And they shall be released on which moment I provide y'all with the ear candy.

I'm not messing with anybody - well not intentionally. You guys are actually all too easy to mess with, even when I'm being serious it messes with you. I just saw the "Other Music Styles" forum, and thought that, maybe - and I was obviously, indubitably wrong, some of you were interested in, or at least open to, "Other Music Styles". Am I the only one here that does listen to music outside of the Rock umbrella? And I only posted this particular album, because it hit me hard. When he talks about his life and what he's been through, I start to think where am I going with my own life, and what is it to be successful if family and friends are sacrificed along the way? I'm not trying to push shit, or rack up posts, I was only trying to share something that influenced me, to anyone willing to accept. Forgive me.

Smart observation but they're just not playing games. Kanye talks, he doesn't actually make music and that's where I draw the line. The political gimmick does not justifiy his lack of musical output. And the vocoder vocal's just plain bad as he's not a singer noir can he ever sing. I resort to what I said before, he should stick to producing and put out an Electronica album or something in the like.

didn't kanye say he was raised on aor as a young kid & journey is his fave band... gee.. what a way to turn out

What a way indeed. This is a Hard Rock forum, actual good music ya know. We're like the antheisis of Crap and Shit Shot meaning we won't hesitate to eliminate while given the next best chance. And we shall prevail, Rock just needs to use Pop music again like they used to in the 80's. Hip Hop's been having it pretty easy past decade as you have nothing to fear from Alternative wussies but us here are a whole different story. The minute we reclaim attitude it's bye bye wannabe crapper no more bitches in the club for you. And don't give me your political crying cause it ain't nothing more but a gimmick. Lyrical content doesn't equal good music, without actual melody it's nothing more but cheap talk.

Kanye can try all he wants but in the end he ain't nothing more than a marketing puppet, the sole reason for the anti climax of him hitting #1 over GNR next on. Now GNR isn't promoting, their sales are based on first interest only so I'd say that's pretty darn impressive but Kanye's desperate.

As for the music itself I can be very brief. The guy went from rapping to sing through a vocoder over recycled beats from Tears For Fears and the like, enuff said. This actually doesn't only make him worthless but a thief as well in my book. And that's not only Kanye but just about all of them now, isnt it? Just take a look at it, songs stolen from Whitesnake, Van Halen, Toto and the list goes on. Bottom line, Hip Hop's nowhere without us in the first place. We practically own them, we've made them and we shall destroy them again.

As an advice for Mr. West I'd say if he's really into AOR why not explore more into that direction? Maybe he can do a little something with Electronica, be a keyboardist, producer or whatever. If you strip down some of his latest outputs that's pretty much where it leads.

This sounds promising.

Right on if you ask me, the typical Mutt sound is all over this. In comparison to Hinder, this one has a little harder edge at times. It's by far my favorite Nickelback album and some of the guitar work including solos are just insane for today's standards.

Thanks mate, I'll spin this tonight. The funny thing about Nickelback is that people fob them off as a ballad band after their success with lighter singles, but some of the stuff on 'All the right reasons' was pretty f*cking heavy for a popular hard rock band. I will never like this guy's voice but if they can keep producing the goods like the last album it's just silly to ignore them.

My thoughts exactly. Was never too big on the voice either but I must say Chad's handling it pretty well on this new record, it does fit. And next to it you get some killer tunes right back to the mainstream of course.

Listen here!

http://www.youtube.com/user/OfficialNickelback

Right on if you ask me, the typical Mutt sound is all over this. In comparison to Hinder, this one has a little harder edge at times. It's by far my favorite Nickelback album and some of the guitar work including solos are just insane for today's standards.

Maybe we can open up a topic for this one at Hard Rock as well? Just finished listening to the entire album and my calculations turned out to be just about right. The album's downright 80's Hard Rock heaven!