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This looks really interesting but unfortunately it's not in English. 

58 minutes ago, auslander said:

Coincidently I heard "Shine" today again and this time I listened with a critical ear. I really think it is far more classic rock sounding than alternative. I know they are more than one song, but that is the big hit that everyone knows. If Kissin Dynamite released "Shine" today (if we had never heard the song before) we'd all think it was frigging amazing.

Alternative is a pretty dumb label now as many bands considered alternative are basically mainstream rock. What are these million-selling bands alternative to exactly?

Chris Cornell did an interview once where he was talking about how college rock used to be these weird records that nobody ever really heard that a if they got placed on the radio it was at 3 am by some kid doing a show out of his dorm but then college rock became alternative rock and alternative rock became mainstream and then he said what are we the alternative too, what's not on the radio. 

I was curious so I used the old Google machine. 

I think the difference between Collective Soul and a lot of those bands is that their music could have been played in the 80s on the radio right next to the bands that I grew up loving. It's funny because I got a digital press kit for Dosage because I was a top reviewer on Garage Band and it was all about how Collective Soul had kept rock n roll alive and it referred to them as active rock multiple times. That was the first and last time I heard the term.

3 hours ago, Crazysam said:

While I enjoy listening to some of those bands, I'd vote no on including any in the HH main database.  Especially the ones I'd classify as grunge (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Mudhoney) or alternative rock (Live and Collective Soul) as for me those are the antithesis of what I consider a HH artist to be.

I hate that Collective Soul is considered alternate. When they were popular they were promoted as active rock, which I'm not sure what that is but it sounds a lot closer what they do than alternate rock. To me, alternative is REM and Pavement and the like.

1 hour ago, Captain Howdy said:

There is always gonna be a fine line between what is an is not gonna cut the mustard on here.

As I said before, Cornell is an amazing singer and the stuff he did with Audioslave was certainly deserving of a place on the site as there was so much 70s hard rock/metal to their sound. But Soundgarden certainly does not fit beyond a few songs here and there. And his solo stuff is all over the place genre wise. His James Bond theme, you know my name is one of my favourite hard rock songs of all time and if he had released a whole album in that style, I would whole heartedly support that being on the site, but as much as I really like his Carry on album, it just does not belong here.

And I would be really against stuff like Pearl Jam and Creed not because I flat out hate them, but just because I don't think they really fit. There are bands I love I would not want on here, and there are bands I hate who I fully support them being on here (The Darkness for example).

The other thing to consider, as it was mentioned by someone, it does not matter if certain members of a band have albums on here, that does not mean there other bands belong on here. Audioslave yes, Soundgarden and RATM, no.

Scott Stapp (can't really comment) but Creed, no.

Mother Love Bone, yes. Pearl Jam, no.

And with some of the other bands mentioned, like The Cars. It's a slippery slope, as where do you stop? Should Dire Straits be on here? Bruce Springsteen? Huey Lewis? Mellencamp? All artists I really like, but don't think they have a place.

The reason I mentioned Alter Bridge and Scott Stapp's solo stuff is because I don't think it's too far off from Creed. Myles Kennedy obviously has a more dynamic voice than Stapp but musically they're very similar. At the end of the day as I've said I love this site and if Dan decided to strip it down to the bare bones and build a site from the ground up starting with Journey and Poison and I would still support it.

I get the idea of keeping the site pure but if you look at the genres of music on HH listed on the site not even all of them fit into the AOR/Melodic Rock sub genres and if you submit a cd there's even more categories. If the site was strictly AOR & Melodic Rock it would still be an amazing database but it's also, sleaze, glam, southern rock, blues rock, hard rock and modern hard rock and there's a lot more to those genres to explore. 

I honestly think so. I submitted the 2 Chronicle cds today.

I agree completely. I love the site and I love being able to contribute but at the end of the day I think it's in very capable hands. 

I'm really just trying to compare them to bands that are already on the site. There's so many bands that I love that I know have no place on the site but I think some of these ones do.

Oh and Poco

So obviously you know that my idea of hard rock, sleaze and glam is quite a bit different from a lot of people who frequent the site and I also have a more encompassing view of AOR as well but here's my take:

Was A Rebel Few removed from the site. It was definitely heavier than a lot of the stuff on here but it's a great album. 

I've never checked out Brutal Metal. Maybe I should sounds like there might be some bands I dig over there.

Thanks 

I've got 5 cds I was planning on submitting tonight. 3 of them I'm confident fit (even though I could be wrong) the other 2 are The Witness by Meytal and Get It by The Lashes I think that they both could have a place on the site but I also feel like they could be rejected. To me the Lashes are similar to Jet and the Struts and are just a sleazy, fun rock band and Meytal is great modern hard rock with killer vocals, great harmonies and beyond competent musicians. They remind me of Nickelback and Daughtry a bit.

I appreciate you taking the time to address my submissions. I'm really not trying to submit borderline stuff as I said in our DMs I'm going through my extensive CD collection and if I come across something that I think fits I submit it. In case you couldn't tell I'm pretty disappointed that the Datsuns weren't given the greenlight because I think there's quite a few bands on HH who they have things in common with sonically but as I said in my previous post I respect the decision of everyone involved. I really enjoy HH and I've found so many great bands on the site. I'm really just trying to help others do the same. Do you suggest that I post threads about releases that I want to submit before I submit them or should I just try to work on submitting the right stuff?

What are everyone's thoughts on The Blues Rock Queen Ali Handal? She's sighted Aerosmith as a huge influence and actually plays in an Aerosmith cover band and has done work Tony Franklin. I definitely think she fits on the site. I'm curious to hear other people's thoughts. 

https://youtu.be/wOLjZ4APIDs?si=fEzr3-jRLpbvehH5

Definitely never thought they were AOR, was putting them on the hard rock side of things. 

I mean Harmonic Generator??? This track is dripping with 70s sleazy goodness but legitimately I leave it to the masses and throw myself on the mercy of the court  :-) honestly, I'm just playing around. My whole point on submitting these bands is because I feel like they belong AND that the folks who frequent the site will enjoy them. If they don't/won't then by all means they shouldn't be included.  

I don't think you'd ever hear a solo like this in a punk song but obviously this is your site and punk DEFINITELY doesn't belong, I just really don't see The Datsuns as a punk band but if that's where you think they fall then I withdraw my submission. 

https://youtu.be/o_DHCL2Q2d0?si=LLyuc4pH--tSFfMZ