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9 hours ago, Crazysam said:

It is bad enough trying to make sure disc images are legit before buying/bidding, now we have to even be careful that the OBI strips are real?  When I first started rebuilding and adding harder to find cds to my collection some years back I wasn't aware how prevalent bootleg discs and shill bidding was.  It's crazy how far scammers will go and a real shame that collectors have to become overly suspicious of everyone because of some bad sellers.  

many bootleg CDs was made in Greece and Russia, you know. but we don't know who made them, so need to know how to differentiate bootleg and original one. but luckily(?) now we know who made the fake OBI. so as long as anybody doesn't resale his fake OBIs, the solution is so simple, don't buy from him. did you find any rare Japanese CDs with OBI in his ebay items? then don't buy them.

the notorious ebay seller japanrarehunter did a big bad job again.

he is selling fake Japanese OBI strips.

see attached picture. left one is original and right one is the fake one from japanrarehunter

it was reported he made a lot of fake OBI strips for many rare CDs. known fake OBIs are Chastin (MP32 series), Venom japanese assault, Iron Maiden (3200 yen series), Unruly Child, Vio-Lence, Death Angel, Airdash, Wild Dogs etc.

don't trust photo of his ebay items. he used to take a picture of original one, and will send you fake one he made.

so don't buy any Japanese CDs from him. that is best.

 

I can think of 2 reasons :

 

1. Shill bidding is nearly impossible to do again as e-Bay started policy adjustment years ago regarding this matter.

2. He didn't do it often, maybe once in 100 cases and he keep doin' it because he got away with it several times. Maybe he got few complaints but a full refund to customer solved the matter and only one or two cases resulted in negative feedback. The profit in this is way too high I guess, get a rare Jap copy without OBI for $30, copy OBI for $1, and sell it for $100.

 

 

shill bidding is very safe because ebay doesn't care that. ebay love $$$ and the ebay policy against shill bidding is just joke. japanrarehunter also know it well. you know nowadays he used to sell his CDs with various starting prices. if the starting bid of any rare item is $9.99, yes, he will do shill bidding in the last day if the price is still low than he expected.

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yes, he will not make fake obi often, he doesn't need to make fake obi of Helloween "keeper of the seven keys". if his rare item has very clean obi, it is better to suspect fake one.

japanrarehunter this rip-off seller has another big problem

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=japanrarehunter&iid=-1&de=off&items=25&searchInterval=30&which=negative&interval=365&_trkparms=negative_365

he is selling FAKE OBI. if above negative feedback about FAKE COPY OBI is the only one, that can be just his mistake. but my friend also got FAKE COPY OBI from him. he got refund. this rip-off seller know they are fake copy obi. but if his buyer doesn't know about that, he will not say anything. he will just keep his $$$.

it is big problem as much as shill-bidding. you may know he keep his feedback list as private when he doesn't sell. the reason is without any doubt that he doesn't want people to read the negative feedback.

TRUE... But nobody should bid beyond what the CD is worth to them personally. If they want to get in a bidding war, whether it's with a shill bidder or legit bidder that is up to them. That is just being dumb if they pay more than they believe the CD is worth to them.

 

In your example... Sure the buyer would love to get the CD for $9.00, who wouldn't want to get something as cheap as possible? I still feel that a bidder should never bid more than what they feel the CD is worth to them. If you don't feel you should pay $30.00 or more for the CD... Don't bid that high.

 

PS- Not trying to argue with you here... I do understand what you are saying. I also don't believe that shill bidding is ethical. I just look at it a little differently. I don't feel bad for a buyer who overpays for an item on his own free will.

yes, i also understand what you are saying. nobody force buyer to pay much. but some people do it. i think that is the natural behavior of human being. i don't want to talk about any psychological issue. instead, i want to say you a real story.

i used to go to Tokyo every year to buy CDs. and some friends used to give me their want list + their maximum price when i go to Tokyo. a friend of mine was looking for Metallica Kill 'em All Japan 12 tracks, and he said he can pay for it up to $40. when i have been Tokyo, i found it but the price was about $60. but i thought $60 may be ok for him. so i bought it for him.

i was back to home and met him (say "A") and another my friend (say "B"). "A" said $60 is a little high. then "B" said to sell it to him for $60. and then what happen? "A" said 'i am first, i will buy it for $60'

yes, "A" may be stupid. but that is human being.

when you bid on any item from such seller as like drgoon, you will always meet such people as like "B". problem is that "B" is real bidder or drgoon's friend (or drgoon's another account)

I can't understand what the hell are you trying to say. You said "dragoon is bad because he uses shill bidding to increase the price of his auctions" & I told you that there are many guys/sellers who are doing the same.

I can't understand why you are playing with words. All the specific 4 accounts kreator/hammerheart/thallos/randomcoils are double accounts (selling & buying). It's all in your mind what are you trying to say about "bidder" or "Seller" kreator. I do compare oranges with oranges. That means sellers with sellers. If you can't understand that simple thing I can't help you. If these are your friends it's a different story too.

 

By the way is there anyone who have noticed the extremely logical prices of pricekillers' auctions?

 

http://completed.shop.ebay.com/pricekillers001/m.html?LH_Complete=1&_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_since=15&_sop=3&_rdc=1&_rdc=2

 

Thallos didn't bid on any of his auctions this time because he hasn't sold almost anything on his personal auctions. The selling prices were 5 times lower than when he bids. I wish he will be broke forever & save us from his presence...

we are talking "shill bidding" in this topic. right? so when you talk about the guy randomcoil, it means he is also doing shill bidding. you also said he is doing same thing. right? so do you have any evidence he is doing shill bidding? i expect your answer to prove he does shill bidding. stop to saying such stupid answer, "he is doing same thing". if you talk about only kreator, you can be correct. i didn't talk about kreator in here as i don't have any evidence to prove it (even though i guess he is doing it)

i understand you hate him as he outbid you so many times. but that is not shill bidding. if you don't still understand what is shill bidding, go to ebay or some related web site, and study what is shill bidding. we are not talking in this topic about any seller you hate personally.

and don't misunderstand, i am not friend of him. i don't know his real name even.

and finally look the feedback list drgoon / pricekiller / japanrarehunter received. you can find a lot of russian buyers who buy and pay so much. i am sure some of them is reseller. randomcoils is not the only person who buy and sell.

Though I do not agree with shill bidding and do think it is unethical... I DO NOT believe "drgoon" is exactly ripping off his buyers. Nobody is forcing the buyers to bid on the item. The buyer is free to stop bidding at any time. The buyer could just put in a high bid (whatever he is willing to pay for the cd) and all is solved. I blame the buyers themselves. If they are dumb enough to overpay for a CD so be it.

there are a lot of cases to auctions. assume one of such cases. here is an item you are willing to pay $30 for, and drgoon also know this item deserve $30, so he doesn't want to sell it for less than $30. instead he set the starting bid as $9, his friend momojirou will bid on it for $29.99.

it doesn't matter who bid on it first. you may be winner of it, and you will pay $30 for it. ok, as you was willing to pay $30 for it, you can be happy with the result even if you know the seller did shill bidding. but you lost the chance to buy it for $9 (if nobody bid on it) or at least less than $30.

and assume there is another person who are willing to pay $30 for it. he found the current bid is $30 when last minutes of the auction. well, it is possible he is willing to pay a little more. if he outbid you, you can think you also pay a little more......and finally the stupid battle. but without the shill bidding, in other words, if the auction's price stay with $9 til last minutes, the result can be different. there is definite difference between 2 rivals and 3 rivals (= actually 2 rivals + 1 false bidder)

"but drgoon / japanrarehunter raise the price of their own items using their another or friends accounts."

when i talk about kreator, i am saying his activity as bidder as like randomcoil. ok, is it clear if i say hammerheart44 / randomcoil? i am NOT talking about kreator72 / thallos81. they buy CDs from ebay and sell them again at ebay. that is NOT shill bidding and NOT bad thing.

1) I agree

2) Because your comparison of a private seller with a store is for good laughs. Yes I have sold a couple of things but it wasn't me who compared private big sellers with stores saying that they are doing the same.

3) Because the most are using the same shill bidding as the Japanese guy for who you are whining at. Just without so much success...

is it non-sense to compare such ebay sellers with used cd shop because they pay tax???? what a great logic!! i know the owner of a record shop who used to buy CDs from ebay to sell them at his shop. so, as to you, though they all do same thing, the owner of record shop is good guy because he has his own business, but kreator / randomcoil is bad guy because they are private seller. and don't compare him with such bad guys because he pay tax!

you totally misunderstand what is "shill bidding". kreator / randomcoil PAY for the CDs they won and resell them at ebay. (though kreator is some suspicous when he bid on momojirou's items) all is legal. i think a lot of person including kreator/randomcoil are doing same thing at ebay. but drgoon / japanrarehunter raise the price of their own items using their another or friends accounts. their buyers was ripped off when they outbid such "false" bidders. that is shill bidding and that is crime. they are big difference.

Look, I am not a supporter of shill bidding. But English society is not the best example for imitation. In a few States in USA & in other places in the world the death penalty is available. Maybe that's a crime not shill bidding! In any case every new shit on ebay starts from the English version ebay.co.uk.

 

Haven't you noticed that they are using (especially kreator) their 2nd accounts to increase the price & sometimes to buy a cd if it's not at the right "reserved" price? Not a bad thing definitely.

 

Gosh! The used cd shops are paying taxes for their business in every country you've typed that comparison by accident right?

english law is not best example, but one of examples. all ebay rules is not correct / some ebay rules is correct, and the rule for shill bidding is correct, only problem is that ebay doesn't have any way to prove that is shill bidding when seller's friends bid for seller.

why do you talking about tax? that is not point. have you ever sold your items at ebay before? if so, did you pay tax to your country? when you buy any item from foreign country, ask your seller to write the real price for customs as you can pay tax.

so are you against such ebayer as like kreator / randomcoils? why? because they outbid you?

Bottom line is why is so annoying dragon's shill bidding & not the shill bidding of the others? Just wondering... It's not illegal.

the shill bidding of drgoon and japanrarehunter is crime. i have reported a UK news in other topic which a UK ebay seller was arrested by police for shill bidding. they are doing same thing.

but the actions of kreator and randomcoils is not bad thing. they just buy CDs from ebay and sell them again at ebay. there is not any thing wrong. every used cd shops buy CDs from somebody and resell them at their shops. i have heard some russian ebayers buy stuffs from ebay and sell them to their local customers who are not familiar with ebay or doesn't have paypal account. whether they make profit or not, that is their business.

for example, when drgoon ask his friend momojirou to bid an item for $30, it just means he doesn't want to sell it less than $30. the $30 is actually reserved price. his auctions looks like being started with low starting bid, but that is not true. most of them has reserved price. that is the fact.

I don't understand why you say this is shill bidding. I had a bidder win 20 items from my last auction, some big bidders bid on anything and everything. If this was 'real' shill bidding wouldn't his so called buddies come in 2nd place and not win the items outright. What's the point of selling to a buddy who won't pay and now you are stuck with tons of Ebay final value fees? I honestly don't get these accusations of shill bidding. I've had loyal customers that show up nearly each auction and also bought from my Ebay store when I had one up and running. Having returning costumers who buy multiple items isn't shill bidding. I understand the frustration of always losing out on items to bigger bidders, but that's not shill bidding, it's just buyers with really deep pockets and really big music addictions.

for example, momojirou WON 8 items from this seller. but look his bid history.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidderProfile&mode=1&item=150583168207&aid=u***j&eu=yWK9Z%2F4Ai%2BqhVrQdt3cbPZy66RGxMeEI&view=NONE&ssPageName=PageBidderProfileViewBids_None_ViewLink

he actually bid on total 41 items from this seller. so the seller couldn't sell 8 items (can file second chance offer though) but raised the price for other 33 items. and if he want, he can get the ebay fee back as he file mutual agreement.

it is true he is doing shill bidding. i have heard about this from his japanese friend. (he said he also bid on drgoon's items by his request before)

not much known, but this well-known ebay seller "drgoon_jpn" is also doing shill-bidding to raise the price.

there are "at least" 2 his friends who cooperate with this rip-off

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItems&userid=norzy&sort=9&page=&rows=0&completed=1&all=1

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItems&userid=momojirou&sort=9&page=&rows=0&completed=1&all=1

last time, the account list for shill-bidding by this rip-off

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItems&userid=sleez777&sort=9&page=&rows=0&completed=1&all=1 (his korean friend)

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItems&userid=metal72forever&sort=9&page=&rows=0&completed=1&all=1 (his korean friend)

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItems&userid=hysystem&sort=9&page=&rows=0&completed=1&all=1 (his another account)

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItems&userid=arterror&sort=9&page=&rows=0&completed=1&all=1 (his korean friend)

(there can be more accounts for shill-bidding)

that is just the item list he faied as he or his friend won. problem is the items they got outbid.

if you purchased any item from this rip-off, check the item bid history, and if the second or third high bidder is one of h***e ( private ) = hysystem , a***a ( 518 ) = metal72forever, 7***e ( 90 ) = sleez777, r***a ( private ) = arterror, YES you got ripped off.

i found who is i***y (361). he is happy-gloria. look his recent bidding history.

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItems&userid=happy-gloria&sort=9&page=&rows=0&completed=1&all=1

so followings are the account list for shill-bidding AT THE MOMENT.

darker_than_darkness

metal72forever

www_diskheaven_co_kr

aorheaven_korea

happy-gloria

...

i found who is n***a (341).

he is aorheaven_korea

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItems&userid=aorheaven_korea&sort=9&page=&rows=0&completed=1&all=1

darker_than_darkness, metal72forever, www_diskheaven_co_kr, aorheaven_korea and i***y (361) (this is my homework to find who he is )

how many id this rip-off has for shill bidding?

there are 2 suspicious ids :

n***a (341) and i***y (361)

their bid activity with this rip-off is 100%.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidderProfile&mode=1&item=290451194898&aid=n***a&eu=0yKT2uKL9rnJc6q6IV64I2WN461XNW9Spn8OTa8pBco%3D

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidderProfile&mode=1&item=250661056050&aid=i***y&eu=bT47bkYJ33mwM4Tgi3b%2FSf2ttTgIaSWL

it is so funny n***a (341) and i***y (361) don't bid on same item.

at the moment, this rip-off's sale list :

a***a (499) is metal72forever,

n***d (38) is darker_than_darkness,

the suspicious n***a (341) and i***y (361)

he is the worst shill-bidding seller in the world

a good news for the shill bidding sellers as like japanrarehunter

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/05/ebay_shill

i have found his another partner for shill-bidding, that is darker_than_darkness

look his bid history :

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItems&userid=darker_than_darkness&sort=9&page=&rows=0&completed=1&all=1

he is black metal maniac, he is bidding on this rip-off's items by the seller's request.

so the known shill-bidding partners are darker_than_darkness, metal72forever and www_diskheaven_co_kr (this is seller himself)

Well I see this fucker is at it again. I was bidding on Jokers Cool Deal and guess what Evilbay ID a**a shows up as the highest bidder. He did the same thing on Dare's Out Of The Silence. This is the last time, he did it to me in the past. Fucking done with this guy.

a***a is metal72forever, his another korean rip-off partner

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItems&userid=metal72forever&sort=9&page=&rows=0&completed=1&all=0

How many did he win from himself? LOL

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidItems&userid=www_diskheaven_co_kr&sort=9&page=&rows=0&completed=1&all=1

www_diskheaven_co_kr's 30-day bid summary :

Total bids: 419

Items bid on: 412

Bid activity (%) with this seller: 100%

this rip-off sold total 849 items for last 30 dyas. so he bid on 412 out of 849.

what a crazy shill-bidding fucker

japanrarehunter says he works for diskheaven but in the end they all come from the same place . Does it make sence that someone having a website like diskheaven buying CDS from a seller on ebay . I have never seen NEH buying CDS off ebay to resell on there site or anyone else . Must be something in the water ........

japanrarehunter says he works for diskheaven

if www_diskheaven_co_kr is the ebay account of the web shop, that is shill-bidding. he is confessing he do shill-bidding. he believe that is not shill-bidding. he is so stupid guy.