EonianRecords Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 >> I will normally not respond to statements like this, but this one I could not resist. I also do not want to sound like a "dick" but you obviously know the record industry better than the rest of us. I think these message boards are cool to talk about what's new, what good, etc., but there seems to be just one or two of people here that always seem to have the record industry all figured out and can obviously do things better than the ones who are actually doing it. Do you know anything about distribution? How about Koch Entertainment? You know ...it would be really easy to just make these CD's available on our website and on one or two online stores, but we want the best exposure for the bands and the label and signing with Koch is a big deal. If it means pushing things back to do things right ...then damn skippy. << You and I have spoken on the phone Stephen. Yes, as a matter of fact I know quite a lot about distribution, having been with ADA (Warner Bros) and well, Navarre (now E1 / Koch - the same deal you have, only I had one stepping stone cut out of the path) - for over a decade. I know how they operate, I know all about the "mysterious chargebacks" that come flying at you, and about the "buy ins" to Best Buy, Transworld and the like. I know what it costs to take a 'cut" in the Super D book. I know all about the fact that you (just as a for instance) are going to be paid LAST in the chain of command and how your first royalty cheque most likely WON'T happen until the third quarter of your agreement (and that's if you're lucky). Yes, Koch is a big deal (they also just laid off 25 employees I do believe) but you're a small company (not a slag, it's reality). Koch has a roster of some 500+ collective labels - 60% of which have been turning some sort of profit for them over the past decade. You're brand new and I doubt you have $100,000 to spend on each release (like Compendia, Sheridan Square, Bar None, Schanchie and some others have) so you're going to be one of the low men on the totem pole. I know exactly how your deal works and I'm telling you, in a year you're very likely going to have a major "what the fuck?!?!?!!!!" moment. Do I hope that you do? No, I don't want anyone to. I hope you sell 50,000 albums this year. Do I know "everything" about the music business? Of course not but I've been in it for over 20 years and it's the only real job I've ever had so I think I've learned a little bit along the way. Do you know who Michael Rosenberg is? He took me to lunch - not once but twice. I've also had lunch with Bob Pickering - wonderful person - I'm sure you've at least spoken to him. Good luck. I mean it. Thanks for the reply ...Dan e-mailed me and told me that I may have taken your quote too personally ...I probably did. He also told me that you did indeed know what you were talking about and all of what you said is familiar to me. Also, yes ...we did chat on the phone once ...right as I was getting the label started. All of what you said is familiar other than I have not experenced the "what the f**k" yet ...LOL!! Right now, Koch has been great to work with and is getting our product in some stores that otherwise we would not. E-mail me at rockshop@eonianrecords.com and let's chat. I am always learning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocularok Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Any word on the "package deal" to the loyal HH members? I may be placing an order soon from another site, but want to hold off till I hear back on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrospect Records Posted March 2, 2009 Report Share Posted March 2, 2009 Steve - I wish you all the best my friend but Koch is an absolute nightmare and a complete waste of time and money. ManicEgo knows what he is talking about. Any deals where you have to WAIT to get paid is a BAD one. Just some advice Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EonianRecords Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Steve - I wish you all the best my friend but Koch is an absolute nightmare and a complete waste of time and money. ManicEgo knows what he is talking about. Any deals where you have to WAIT to get paid is a BAD one. Just some advice Steve. I appreciate all of the advice ...I truly do. However ...without disclosing the all the facts of what we are doing with Koch ...it is not nearly as bad as what you guys think. It is on a much smaller scale and way less constraints. I see where you are coming from …wanting to get paid right away, but one of our goals was to put our CD’s in stores worldwide (mostly small mom and pop stores and a handful of big mailorder stores). We keep our numbers reasonable so that we do not get stuck with excess inventory, and we will get paid quarterly which I am fine with this. Also, I have some great advisors that I am working with and trust. As we all know …we will all do business a little differently and that is totally cool with me. Bottom line ...we hope everyone loves the product Eonian puts out. Anyway, thanks for the advice. Talk to you soon. ~ Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharatan Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Any word on the "package deal" to the loyal HH members? I may be placing an order soon from another site, but want to hold off till I hear back on this. bump! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUICIDE Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Steve - I wish you all the best my friend but Koch is an absolute nightmare and a complete waste of time and money. ManicEgo knows what he is talking about. Any deals where you have to WAIT to get paid is a BAD one. Just some advice Steve. I appreciate all of the advice ...I truly do. However ...without disclosing the all the facts of what we are doing with Koch ...it is not nearly as bad as what you guys think. It is on a much smaller scale and way less constraints. I see where you are coming from …wanting to get paid right away, but one of our goals was to put our CD’s in stores worldwide (mostly small mom and pop stores and a handful of big mailorder stores). We keep our numbers reasonable so that we do not get stuck with excess inventory, and we will get paid quarterly which I am fine with this. Also, I have some great advisors that I am working with and trust. As we all know …we will all do business a little differently and that is totally cool with me. Bottom line ...we hope everyone loves the product Eonian puts out. Anyway, thanks for the advice. Talk to you soon. ~ Steve Sounds good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EonianRecords Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Steve - I wish you all the best my friend but Koch is an absolute nightmare and a complete waste of time and money. ManicEgo knows what he is talking about. Any deals where you have to WAIT to get paid is a BAD one. Just some advice Steve. I appreciate all of the advice ...I truly do. However ...without disclosing the all the facts of what we are doing with Koch ...it is not nearly as bad as what you guys think. It is on a much smaller scale and way less constraints. I see where you are coming from …wanting to get paid right away, but one of our goals was to put our CD’s in stores worldwide (mostly small mom and pop stores and a handful of big mailorder stores). We keep our numbers reasonable so that we do not get stuck with excess inventory, and we will get paid quarterly which I am fine with this. Also, I have some great advisors that I am working with and trust. As we all know …we will all do business a little differently and that is totally cool with me. Bottom line ...we hope everyone loves the product Eonian puts out. Anyway, thanks for the advice. Talk to you soon. ~ Steve Sounds good. Sam ...any notible releases coming out soon? ~ Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinsane Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 Steve - I wish you all the best my friend but Koch is an absolute nightmare and a complete waste of time and money. ManicEgo knows what he is talking about. Any deals where you have to WAIT to get paid is a BAD one. Just some advice Steve. I appreciate all of the advice ...I truly do. However ...without disclosing the all the facts of what we are doing with Koch ...it is not nearly as bad as what you guys think. It is on a much smaller scale and way less constraints. I see where you are coming from …wanting to get paid right away, but one of our goals was to put our CD’s in stores worldwide (mostly small mom and pop stores and a handful of big mailorder stores). We keep our numbers reasonable so that we do not get stuck with excess inventory, and we will get paid quarterly which I am fine with this. Also, I have some great advisors that I am working with and trust. As we all know …we will all do business a little differently and that is totally cool with me. Bottom line ...we hope everyone loves the product Eonian puts out. Anyway, thanks for the advice. Talk to you soon. ~ Steve Sounds good. One wonders why Mr. SUICIDE 's post was edited? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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