Guns 'N' Roses - Chinese Democracy

[Mullethead]

From the majority of comments it would appear that I made the right decision by NOT picking this one up....

 

Yeah, but you cant listen to a few of us because we don't have 4000 posts

 

 

 

You can STFU anytime now Axl Rose

 

 

Axl Rose? Cute.

 

 

 

I prefer to be called Mr 23 Post Douchebag. Well make that 24 by the time I post this for your dumbass to read.

 

 

Atta boy...make sure you get good & mad k?

[aMetalhead1966]

I don't really care if anybody besides Mullethead and Myself like this record or not.

Is it classic GNR? Hell No! Is It a Crappy Release? Hell NO! It's a great release.

I view it as a AXL solo release, though AXL doesn't. Could it have been better

with the original line? Don't know and never will. Sorry to say, but I think it's

a release that no matter HOW good it is, there will be those who just won't like

it anyway, and that's fine with me. If you don't like it more power to you,

if you do like it great.

[Captain Howdy]

Pretty much echo most of that.

[Mullethead]

I don't really care if anybody besides Mullethead and Myself like this record or not.

Is it classic GNR? Hell No! Is It a Crappy Release? Hell NO! It's a great release.

I view it as a AXL solo release, though AXL doesn't. Could it have been better

with the original line? Don't know and never will. Sorry to say, but I think it's

a release that no matter HOW good it is, there will be those who just won't like

it anyway, and that's fine with me. If you don't like it more power to you,

if you do like it great.

 

 

Yeah, I feel the same way. A lot of people are missing out on a great album. I actually think the playing is better on this album than any with the original. They are two different bands really.

[heaven&hell]

I don't really care if anybody besides Mullethead and Myself like this record or not.

Is it classic GNR? Hell No! Is It a Crappy Release? Hell NO! It's a great release.

I view it as a AXL solo release, though AXL doesn't. Could it have been better

with the original line? Don't know and never will. Sorry to say, but I think it's

a release that no matter HOW good it is, there will be those who just won't like

it anyway, and that's fine with me. If you don't like it more power to you,

if you do like it great.

 

 

Yeah, I feel the same way. A lot of people are missing out on a great album. I actually think the playing is better on this album than any with the original. They are two different bands really.

 

I agree that they are two different bands but using the GNR name no matter what they do will always get compared to the classic lineup.

 

Again I like it but not near as much as the old stuff, which I hold in very high regard.

[Mullethead]

I don't really care if anybody besides Mullethead and Myself like this record or not.

Is it classic GNR? Hell No! Is It a Crappy Release? Hell NO! It's a great release.

I view it as a AXL solo release, though AXL doesn't. Could it have been better

with the original line? Don't know and never will. Sorry to say, but I think it's

a release that no matter HOW good it is, there will be those who just won't like

it anyway, and that's fine with me. If you don't like it more power to you,

if you do like it great.

 

 

Yeah, I feel the same way. A lot of people are missing out on a great album. I actually think the playing is better on this album than any with the original. They are two different bands really.

 

I agree that they are two different bands but using the GNR name no matter what they do will always get compared to the classic lineup.

 

Again I like it but not near as much as the old stuff, which I hold in very high regard.

 

 

 

I rank 'em this way...

 

1. Appetite (hands down)

2. Chinese Democracy (hands down)

3. Spaghetti Incident

4. Lies

5. UYI 2

6. UYI 1

[heaven&hell]

I don't really care if anybody besides Mullethead and Myself like this record or not.

Is it classic GNR? Hell No! Is It a Crappy Release? Hell NO! It's a great release.

I view it as a AXL solo release, though AXL doesn't. Could it have been better

with the original line? Don't know and never will. Sorry to say, but I think it's

a release that no matter HOW good it is, there will be those who just won't like

it anyway, and that's fine with me. If you don't like it more power to you,

if you do like it great.

 

 

Yeah, I feel the same way. A lot of people are missing out on a great album. I actually think the playing is better on this album than any with the original. They are two different bands really.

 

I agree that they are two different bands but using the GNR name no matter what they do will always get compared to the classic lineup.

 

Again I like it but not near as much as the old stuff, which I hold in very high regard.

 

 

 

I rank 'em this way...

 

1. Appetite (hands down)

2. Chinese Democracy (hands down)

3. Spaghetti Incident

4. Lies

5. UYI 2

6. UYI 1

 

I love the Illusion albums so those go way before the Spaghetti Incident for me.

[Mullethead]

I don't really care if anybody besides Mullethead and Myself like this record or not.

Is it classic GNR? Hell No! Is It a Crappy Release? Hell NO! It's a great release.

I view it as a AXL solo release, though AXL doesn't. Could it have been better

with the original line? Don't know and never will. Sorry to say, but I think it's

a release that no matter HOW good it is, there will be those who just won't like

it anyway, and that's fine with me. If you don't like it more power to you,

if you do like it great.

 

 

Yeah, I feel the same way. A lot of people are missing out on a great album. I actually think the playing is better on this album than any with the original. They are two different bands really.

 

I agree that they are two different bands but using the GNR name no matter what they do will always get compared to the classic lineup.

 

Again I like it but not near as much as the old stuff, which I hold in very high regard.

 

 

 

I rank 'em this way...

 

1. Appetite (hands down)

2. Chinese Democracy (hands down)

3. Spaghetti Incident

4. Lies

5. UYI 2

6. UYI 1

 

I love the Illusion albums so those go way before the Spaghetti Incident for me.

 

 

I could combine those albums and make one kick ass album but they are full of filler. I love the edge & rawness of Spaghetti...

[Geoff]

I don't really care if anybody besides Mullethead and Myself like this record or not.

Is it classic GNR? Hell No! Is It a Crappy Release? Hell NO! It's a great release.

I view it as a AXL solo release, though AXL doesn't. Could it have been better

with the original line? Don't know and never will. Sorry to say, but I think it's

a release that no matter HOW good it is, there will be those who just won't like

it anyway, and that's fine with me. If you don't like it more power to you,

if you do like it great.

 

 

Yeah, I feel the same way. A lot of people are missing out on a great album. I actually think the playing is better on this album than any with the original. They are two different bands really.

 

I agree that they are two different bands but using the GNR name no matter what they do will always get compared to the classic lineup.

 

Again I like it but not near as much as the old stuff, which I hold in very high regard.

 

 

 

I rank 'em this way...

 

1. Appetite (hands down)

2. Chinese Democracy (hands down)

3. Spaghetti Incident

4. Lies

5. UYI 2

6. UYI 1

 

I love the Illusion albums so those go way before the Spaghetti Incident for me.

 

 

I could combine those albums and make one kick ass album but they are full of filler. I love the edge & rawness of Spaghetti...

I can honestly say I have never seen that point of view before, mate. But come to think of it, I've never seen anyone question the production job on 'Hear!' too, so I shouldn't be surprised.

 

That's an odd list, mate. I agree 100% that you could get a 10 track CD worth of good songs from the 'Use Your Illusion' discs and scrap the rest, but seriously, despite how filler-packed they are, they still crucify 'Spaghetti Head' and 'Lies', which are two terrible albums - plain and simple, imo. Scattered good songs is still better than albums completely void of good songs.

 

To be honest, GNR have such a shit discography I'd probably put 'Chinese Democracy' in at 4 behind (obviously) 'Appetite...' and the 2 UYI discs. But seriously, what a poor discography.

[Nick C]

By the way...how did this album do sales wise....was it considered a flop or did it sell boatloads? Apparently it had pretty dismal first week sales compared to what was expected but a lot of the blame seems to be laid on Wal-Marts lack of promotion for the album??

Did it rally afterwards or what?

[heaven&hell]

By the way...how did this album do sales wise....was it considered a flop or did it sell boatloads? Apparently it had pretty dismal first week sales compared to what was expected but a lot of the blame seems to be laid on Wal-Marts lack of promotion for the album??

Did it rally afterwards or what?

 

It was Best Buy that sold it not Wal-Mart and that's part of the problem.

It was Axl that didn't do any promotion at all as of now even though he says promo, a tour and a video is coming but he's been saying that for months. If Wal-Mart would of sold it would of sold 3 times as many. The problem with Best Buy is that they aren't in every town like Wal-Mart is. For this are the closest Best Buy is 2 1/2 hours away! I actually ordered the GNR online so I wouldn't have make the drive. I think the album is certified platinum but I don't think it's sold that many copies but has only shipped that many. Best Buy was guaranteed the first 2 million copies but I'm not sure where that stands now.

[Mullethead]

By the way...how did this album do sales wise....was it considered a flop or did it sell boatloads? Apparently it had pretty dismal first week sales compared to what was expected but a lot of the blame seems to be laid on Wal-Marts lack of promotion for the album??

Did it rally afterwards or what?

 

 

It sold well considering just album sales in this day & age but it's being compared to how long it took to make it....in that regards no it did not sell well.

[Mullethead]

I don't really care if anybody besides Mullethead and Myself like this record or not.

Is it classic GNR? Hell No! Is It a Crappy Release? Hell NO! It's a great release.

I view it as a AXL solo release, though AXL doesn't. Could it have been better

with the original line? Don't know and never will. Sorry to say, but I think it's

a release that no matter HOW good it is, there will be those who just won't like

it anyway, and that's fine with me. If you don't like it more power to you,

if you do like it great.

 

 

Yeah, I feel the same way. A lot of people are missing out on a great album. I actually think the playing is better on this album than any with the original. They are two different bands really.

 

I agree that they are two different bands but using the GNR name no matter what they do will always get compared to the classic lineup.

 

Again I like it but not near as much as the old stuff, which I hold in very high regard.

 

 

 

I rank 'em this way...

 

1. Appetite (hands down)

2. Chinese Democracy (hands down)

3. Spaghetti Incident

4. Lies

5. UYI 2

6. UYI 1

 

I love the Illusion albums so those go way before the Spaghetti Incident for me.

 

 

I could combine those albums and make one kick ass album but they are full of filler. I love the edge & rawness of Spaghetti...

I can honestly say I have never seen that point of view before, mate. But come to think of it, I've never seen anyone question the production job on 'Hear!' too, so I shouldn't be surprised.

 

That's an odd list, mate. I agree 100% that you could get a 10 track CD worth of good songs from the 'Use Your Illusion' discs and scrap the rest, but seriously, despite how filler-packed they are, they still crucify 'Spaghetti Head' and 'Lies', which are two terrible albums - plain and simple, imo. Scattered good songs is still better than albums completely void of good songs.

 

To be honest, GNR have such a shit discography I'd probably put 'Chinese Democracy' in at 4 behind (obviously) 'Appetite...' and the 2 UYI discs. But seriously, what a poor discography.

 

 

 

 

You have to treat that album as a covers album which I normally do not like but this one is quite good & has a ton of attitude. As for Hear I'd rather listen to nails across a chalkboard....it would sound better.

[Nick C]

Cheers for the info chaps!

[Geoff]

A year later and I still don't really know where I stand with this one. To be honest, I find listening to it to be a burden... a pain in the ass.

 

It isn't that bad an album, but it just has no appeal to make me want to play it. I've settled on 'This I Love' as my favourite track, because it's about the only song with a hook. The other 13 songs are just a jumble. There's so much going on, but also so little, in terms of actual enjoyment. The songs are all very complex and involved, but what about the simple art of a good chorus, or decent hook? Everything is just so forgettable.

 

Frustrating CD.

[heaven&hell]

A year later and I still don't really know where I stand with this one. To be honest, I find listening to it to be a burden... a pain in the ass.

 

It isn't that bad an album, but it just has no appeal to make me want to play it. I've settled on 'This I Love' as my favourite track, because it's about the only song with a hook. The other 13 songs are just a jumble. There's so much going on, but also so little, in terms of actual enjoyment. The songs are all very complex and involved, but what about the simple art of a good chorus, or decent hook? Everything is just so forgettable.

 

Frustrating CD.

 

 

I tried to listen to this a few weeks ago and to be honest I had trouble getting through it.

[HighNDryRulz]

A year later and I still don't really know where I stand with this one. To be honest, I find listening to it to be a burden... a pain in the ass.

 

It isn't that bad an album, but it just has no appeal to make me want to play it. I've settled on 'This I Love' as my favourite track, because it's about the only song with a hook. The other 13 songs are just a jumble. There's so much going on, but also so little, in terms of actual enjoyment. The songs are all very complex and involved, but what about the simple art of a good chorus, or decent hook? Everything is just so forgettable.

 

Frustrating CD.

 

 

I tried to listen to this a few weeks ago and to be honest I had trouble getting through it.

 

I agree. Very tedious. It never caught on with me at all.

[Captain Howdy]

Whereas I still love it.

[bangerdave]

Love this cd still.

[SUICIDE]

Just think, When the follow-up to this album comes out most of us will be dead, in an old people's home, or about 100 years old but still wearing the mullet.

[Metal T]

The title tune is great...some of the rest is pretty hard to swallow.

[Jez]

Coming to a bargain bin near you. Oh sorry, already arrived

[Geoff]

Coming to a bargain bin near you. Oh sorry, already arrived

Why do you think I actually decided to buy a copy of it?

[Jez]

Coming to a bargain bin near you. Oh sorry, already arrived

Why do you think I actually decided to buy a copy of it?

 

I got one for 49p

[Mike Tuinstra]

Hard to review this one. Not a bad album at all IMO. Some songs might be in the run for future recognition. Madagascar, This I Love and Street Of Dreams are the absolute highlights for me. Than come the more mellow tunes in Catcher In The Rye, Prostitute, There Was A Time, If The World. Than the more forward I.R.S. I'm not the biggest fan of the Industrial sounds, but these songs are among the best in the genre.

 

It's not completely classic GNR, but it is the album that is most reminiscent of the old band. That what all other projects failed to do this one does. The only other work coming close is Velvet Revolver's Fall To Pieces for me.