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Definitely hearing the Bruce Springsteen and Eagles influences. This has been timely as I have recently been enjoying a lot of stuff by Glenn Frey. I've got a mate who is a big Springsteen fan so will tell him about Cain Rising too. Well after a few plays of the entire album I can report that it's a real goodie. It has a great vibe and I though it was well produced- everything just sounds really clear. The backing vocals come through well kinda like some harmonies you'd hear on an Eagles album. The singer is great too and at times sounds a lot like Springsteen. Favourite track so far is 'When Johnny Walked the Line' followed by 'Save Me' and the opener 'The Rain'. Excellent stuff! I think anyone on these forums who enjoys the already mentioned bands- The Eagles, Bruce Springsteen and Tom Petty etc. Will certainly enjoy this.

I guess I could explain like this- imagine you spent forever creating a beautiful 3000+ song playlist on Spotify, carefully selecting all your favourites and making them available for offline playing. Then overnight Spotify goes bankrupt and ceases to exist. Yes there are plenty of other services to switch to but all that hard work of creating that beautiful playlist has now gone down the drain. This may be a reason some people still see downloading as the better option because with MP3s you can create this playlist and carry it around in your pocket forever knowing you have a back up. I don't know what the solution is to reducing downloading and increasing artist support. Perhaps if CDs were affordable this might help? $10 an album would be more reasonable IMO. Is that realistic? Cheap CDs in combination with a free service to preview the tracks might be best.

Hmmm best of the millennium? Fair enough. It's an excellent album no doubt about it. First Signal wasn't as good but still very enjoyable. Neither would be my best album of the millenium but then I'm not really sure what is - will have to dwell on that some.

From NEH Records: "For this project, Mika is writeing all the songs and lyrics, and is playing all drums, bass, keyboards and singing backing vocals. All the lead vocals and guitars are played by various very talented musicians from the Finnish metal/rock scene." IMPERIUM: Mika Brushane (drums, bass, keyboards, backing vocals) Pasi Rantanen (vocals, guitars) Markku Kuikka (vocals, guitars) Nisse Nordling (vocals) Samuli Federley (guitar) Toni Huovinen (guitar) Ade Manninen (guitar)

Yeah I must admit I have been using Spotify a lot in the last week or so after getting a new mobile and not one cent has gone to any of the artists. I do wonder how much the artist benefits from streaming music.

Fair enough, but I'm sure 90% of people who download will argue they also only do that to "test the waters" and that if an album is good, they will always buy it. I know up until the USD started anally raping everyone outside the US that was basically my sole purpose for downloading; to see which albums I'd be laying coin on. Like I said, just curious. To me, it's basically the same in that you're hearing music without the artist being financially rewarded for it. Spotify may be legal, but the artists still benefit as much from it as they do from illegal downloads. Anyway, Spotify is 100% useless to me because I never sit on a PC and just listen to music so I need it to be mobile. I would dispute that mate. I would say that 90% of people who download have no intention of ever buying the end product. I have no issue with people downloading music 'just to hear it' - as long as they 1. Buy the album if they like it 2. permanently delete the MP3 files if they choose not to like it. As I said, yes the free version of Spotify is very restrictive - it's meant to be so that people 'buy' the full version (which is mobile and you can listen offline so no need for wifi) I question the free versions legality as well, but while it is available I cannot see how anyone can justify illegally downloading music. The excuse that you need it to be mobile is rubbish sorry - you claim yourself that after one listen you know if you like an album or not - you have claimed that on numerous occasions in the 'is it a grower threads'.........in fact you have gone on to say that the very idea that an album could be a grower is complete rubbish......it's just like polishing a turd ......................so - sit, listen once and decide. Its that easy But when? I listen to music at three points in my life, and three points only: 1. At work (driving around in a car) 2. Driving in my car to and from the train station and the beach 3. Riding on the train to and from work If you can advise me how to fit free Spotify into that routine I'm all ears. Like I said, completely illogical for me. And I should have clarified that I meant 90% of the people who listen to music in "our" genre. I'd still hope that 90% (haha, okay, so maybe not that high) would be planning to buy the best albums they download. But there's no real way to know those figures, though. Of course in terms of the whole downloading population, maybe 1% intend to buy CDs after downloading. Yeah I can see what your saying Geoff - unless you get Premium access you will be very limited during those times when you normally listen to music. What worries me about Premium is that Spotify could one day cease to exist, then what do you have? So I can understand why people would prefer actual MP3s over borrowing music from a cloud.

? yeah that one! My brain has turned to mush since having kids..?

I just did the dumnest thing...feel free to hang shit on me for it. I read this thread last night and thought to myself I should really give this a shot considering our very own Jez plays a part here. So I got on my new Spotify account and searched for it then made it available for offline listening. This morning I plugged my phone into the stereo and turned it up really loud keen to hear Cain Rising for the first time. The opener was excellent and while it wasn't my usual cup of tea, I really liked what I was hearing...fast, heavy, symphonic, huge guitar solos, fast (did I say that already)...etc...very nice! But all the while I couldn't stop thinking...I know Jez likes a diverse range of music and certainly likes some heavy/smphonic metal as well, but this isn't the sort of band I would have envisioned Jez playing in. So anyway I made it through the entire album and then made the embarrassing realisation that I was listening to the wrong band...it was Cain's Offering ? Sorry Jez. The good news is I found Rising Cain on Spotify and will crank it up later today. The rest of y'all should too if you haven't already...but make sure you get Rising Cain NOT Cain's Offering ok?

Everyone promises that...few keep the promise. JSS, John Waite, Edguy....

The solo was the low point for me too...expected it to fly....but just kinda didn't happen Still a good song tho - love the sonics. If I could ''like'' this comment I totally would That's what I hate about Facebook- everyone presses 'like' instead of leaving a comment. I'm guilty of that too - it's the lazy way to respond to something.I think I've 'liked' one thing one time, and only because I was asked not to. I hate the 'like' culture social media has created. I do both. I "like" the post, and then leave a comment.There seems to be a thing where people say "I'll like your post if you like mine" it's bullshit and I bet half the time people press like and don't really like it anyway. Anyhow back on topic this Treat album is exciting news!

Yeah I despise anything 'apple'. I feel they try to take too much control over the user in all of their platforms. I bought a new phone and received 6 months free Spotify Premium and to be honest it's pretty cool. I don't want to like it because I've always been against 'cloud' storage / streaming etc but it is actually very convenient and might actually allow me to hear and comment on new releases more often. If mobile phone suppliers were to write Spotify into their contracts it would probably irradicate illegal downloading overnight. Hmm interesting point. I dunno... it would probably go some way to reducing the problem but I have a feeling that MP3s and other digital formats are going to be around a lot longer.

The solo was the low point for me too...expected it to fly....but just kinda didn't happen Still a good song tho - love the sonics. If I could ''like'' this comment I totally would That's what I hate about Facebook- everyone presses 'like' instead of leaving a comment. I'm guilty of that too - it's the lazy way to respond to something.

Yeah I'm loving that new song. Sounds a lot like CDG to me which I was also a big fan of. There is so much average music around lately in the melodic rock scene, so it's great to finally have an album to look forward to.

Agree on all 3 points. Where are they from? Keen to hear more.

Musically it's ok. BUT the singing, lyrics, video clip and band image are horrid. Hate to be harsh but this is terrible. EDIT: playing some more samples I really do think that musically this band is quite good especially when the incorporate keyboards into their sound. The above track 'California' is still rubbish but I will give the album a chance and hope for a few good tracks.

The Tattoo Rodeo and Young Gunns tracks are cool. I also don't mind the track by Attakk. But the others I can live without. Would be keen to hear the others though.

Wow nice work, some stuff I've never heard of there.

I've found nothing but I have asked on another forum where there are some soundtrack junkies. Will let you know.

Yeah I despise anything 'apple'. I feel they try to take too much control over the user in all of their platforms. I bought a new phone and received 6 months free Spotify Premium and to be honest it's pretty cool. I don't want to like it because I've always been against 'cloud' storage / streaming etc but it is actually very convenient and might actually allow me to hear and comment on new releases more often.

Didn't I start this thread with just that? Ease up Stefan. As for the music here I'm kinda in agreement with Karpetfunky in that this sounds a bit patchy. I just don't feel the samples above live up to the description. Some of it's pretty cool but some is kind of average sounding. Will check out the album properly though. Q. Who are the vocalists? Karpet you mention there is a different vocalist on each track though I can't see the line-up.

Is anyone using Spotify these days or is there something better out there? (and yes I know CDs are better but I mean is there a better online streaming service?)

I thought Raquel were pretty cool and should have been much bigger.

I think the more melodic style of 'Everybody's Got a Chance' suits this band better and that song is IMO miles better than the generic sounding 'What You See'.

I actually like 'Shut it Down' better than the first video there. Both really good songs though and this is a band to watch.

I don't think this will be one of my favourite discs on the MRR label. Prefer that second track to the opener.