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Vain - Enough Rope

I will NEVER EVER EVER try to say this is better or equal to 'No Respect'...

You don't have to say it...I'll say it for you. ;)

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Vain - Enough Rope

I will NEVER EVER EVER try to say this is better or equal to 'No Respect'...

You don't have to say it...I'll say it for you. ;)

 

Wes, if you rated 'Enough Rope' as 100%, I wonder how high 'No Respect' is if you say it isn't equal or better? is it 150% ? :D

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Vain - Enough Rope

I will NEVER EVER EVER try to say this is better or equal to 'No Respect'...

You don't have to say it...I'll say it for you. ;)

 

Wes, if you rated 'Enough Rope' as 100%, I wonder how high 'No Respect' is if you say it isn't equal or better? is it 150% ? :D

 

I actually said "I normally don't give scores but if I had to this one would be somewhere close to 10/10 or 100% but maybe just barely under that." But since you asked yes 'No Respect' is more like 150% or maybe even higher. :nyanya:

 

Seriously though the new one is great but it's not No Respect. I've had 22 years with that album and it's a desert island disc for me and has been pretty much since 1989. I can't explain it just is just one of the great hard rock/sleaze rock/metal albums of all time for me.

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Beggars & Thieves - We Are The Brokenhearted

This is a great great album. I can't believe how good this sounds and how many great songs there are. Sure I wish there were some more rocking songs but this is a much more mature and classy disc. While it's not as good as the debut it still is great IMO. "Oil and Water" is one of my favs of 2011 and "We Come Undone" is amazing too. "Beautiful Losers", "Innocence", "Midnight Blue" and "Stranded" are the standout tracks so far for me. Louie's voice sounds like amazing and Ronnie has wrote some great tunes and plays some great solos.

 

Yeah that one's come out without a lot of fanfare but is very good IMO. Nice and mellow...

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Vain - Enough Rope

I will NEVER EVER EVER try to say this is better or equal to 'No Respect'...

You don't have to say it...I'll say it for you. ;)

 

Wes, if you rated 'Enough Rope' as 100%, I wonder how high 'No Respect' is if you say it isn't equal or better? is it 150% ? :D

 

I actually said "I normally don't give scores but if I had to this one would be somewhere close to 10/10 or 100% but maybe just barely under that." But since you asked yes 'No Respect' is more like 150% or maybe even higher. :nyanya:

 

Seriously though the new one is great but it's not No Respect. I've had 22 years with that album and it's a desert island disc for me and has been pretty much since 1989. I can't explain it just is just one of the great hard rock/sleaze rock/metal albums of all time for me.

 

As usual, I'm going to be a loner on this, but I couldn't wait to get rid of 'No Respect' when I finally bought it. I thought the first track was awful, but 'Beat the Bullet' is cool, so I was expecting more treasures to follow, but hated pretty much every track. Personally, I like really dirty, sleazy glam like Tigertailz, Faster Pussycat etc and despise the punky stuff. Everything I've heard by Vain is very punky.

 

You'd think I liked being Billy No Mates, wouldn't you? :rolleyes:

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Vain - Enough Rope

I will NEVER EVER EVER try to say this is better or equal to 'No Respect'...

You don't have to say it...I'll say it for you. ;)

 

Wes, if you rated 'Enough Rope' as 100%, I wonder how high 'No Respect' is if you say it isn't equal or better? is it 150% ? :D

 

I actually said "I normally don't give scores but if I had to this one would be somewhere close to 10/10 or 100% but maybe just barely under that." But since you asked yes 'No Respect' is more like 150% or maybe even higher. :nyanya:

 

Seriously though the new one is great but it's not No Respect. I've had 22 years with that album and it's a desert island disc for me and has been pretty much since 1989. I can't explain it just is just one of the great hard rock/sleaze rock/metal albums of all time for me.

 

Yeah I think it must be a nostalgia thing with you guys, cos musically, hook wise, etc the two album are virtually identical.

 

Both worth around 90% IMO.

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Vain - Enough Rope

I will NEVER EVER EVER try to say this is better or equal to 'No Respect'...

You don't have to say it...I'll say it for you. ;)

 

Wes, if you rated 'Enough Rope' as 100%, I wonder how high 'No Respect' is if you say it isn't equal or better? is it 150% ? :D

 

I actually said "I normally don't give scores but if I had to this one would be somewhere close to 10/10 or 100% but maybe just barely under that." But since you asked yes 'No Respect' is more like 150% or maybe even higher. :nyanya:

 

Seriously though the new one is great but it's not No Respect. I've had 22 years with that album and it's a desert island disc for me and has been pretty much since 1989. I can't explain it just is just one of the great hard rock/sleaze rock/metal albums of all time for me.

 

As usual, I'm going to be a loner on this, but I couldn't wait to get rid of 'No Respect' when I finally bought it. I thought the first track was awful, but 'Beat the Bullet' is cool, so I was expecting more treasures to follow, but hated pretty much every track. Personally, I like really dirty, sleazy glam like Tigertailz, Faster Pussycat etc and despise the punky stuff. Everything I've heard by Vain is very punky.

 

You'd think I liked being Billy No Mates, wouldn't you? :rolleyes:

 

 

You're not the only one who considers Vain overrated...I think No Respect has a few decent songs on it but it rarely gets played by me, as for "Move on it" & "Fade", awful is the best description...I have stayed away from the other 2 releases Vain put out but I will admit to liking the samples for "Enough Rope" and I plan to give it a chance...

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Vain - Enough Rope

I will NEVER EVER EVER try to say this is better or equal to 'No Respect'...

You don't have to say it...I'll say it for you. ;)

 

Wes, if you rated 'Enough Rope' as 100%, I wonder how high 'No Respect' is if you say it isn't equal or better? is it 150% ? :D

 

I actually said "I normally don't give scores but if I had to this one would be somewhere close to 10/10 or 100% but maybe just barely under that." But since you asked yes 'No Respect' is more like 150% or maybe even higher. :nyanya:

 

Seriously though the new one is great but it's not No Respect. I've had 22 years with that album and it's a desert island disc for me and has been pretty much since 1989. I can't explain it just is just one of the great hard rock/sleaze rock/metal albums of all time for me.

 

Yeah I think it must be a nostalgia thing with you guys, cos musically, hook wise, etc the two album are virtually identical.

 

Both worth around 90% IMO.

 

After 5-6 spins on 'Enough Rope', yes I also think it's identical and both gets around 90%. The reason why people insisted that 'No Respect' is better in any ways is because they probably had more than 1.000+ spins on 'No Respect' since day one while 'Enough Rope' probably only got 10-20 spins at most to this day.

 

Any album that you really like and received that many spins can't be flawed and touched by anything else because you're getting familiar with any songs in it and even the worst song can be a decent one to our ears, so people who can rate objectively is those who perhaps get to spin both discs in the same amount and not really a huge fan of Vain but a fans of sleaze/glam/hard rock in general, then it can be a balance comparison :popcorn:

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some early views on the late releases of 2011, nothing bad at all now, but nothing's also in the 90% region, means that all the low and highs were already released in the last two months, but there are several albums you might be interested to invest.

 

ANGELINE - Disconnected

Swedish hard rock band, some of you probably familiar with their 'Confession' debut last year, well I guess this next one is quite on par with the previous, maybe perhaps the first one is slightly better but definitely only by tiny gap. The Bon Jovi, Glenn Hughes, Gotthard influences are still there, some great tracks here are 'When The Lights Go Down', 'Take A Little Time', 'Found', 'Disconnected', and 'Solid Ground'. Hardly any bad fillers, perhaps 'I Had Enough' and 'First Time Around' are the weakest, and the rest are quite good. All in all, a 75% from me.

 

 

IRON SAVIOR - The Landing

they're supposed to be power metal, but in here, I found they're applying a more heavy metal approach. Not very HH friendly but plenty of melodies to love and surprisingly better than I expected. Some goodies are 'The Savior', 'Starlight', 'Heavy Metal Never Dies' (okay super cheesy title but awesome tune!), 'R.U.Ready', and 'No Guts, No Glory'. The only let-down track here is 'Before The Pain' which is a bland ballad. There are at least 3-4 tracks with fast paced tempo in power metal style, the rest are quite traditional heavy metal.

 

I rated this 80% earlier, but might drop to 75% because it kinda feel the same from start to finish and probably risky to sound old easily.

 

 

MORTAL SIN - Psychology of Death

Australian classic thrash, old band that used to be known with their 'Face of Despair' album, released in 1989. This is a nice comeback, with only two surviving original members, Mat and Andy. Songs are mainly in the 80s style, so you can't find any modern elements at all, in fact, it's easily sound like 1989 again. Of course, 'Face' is better, but it's pretty similar. Bad thing is that it felt too short, the production isn't great, and no spectacular track as all tracks are creeping in the 75%-80% territory. 'Blood of My Enemies', 'Paralysed By Fear', 'Deny', and 'Doomed To Annihilation' are my picks.

 

Enjoyable but eventually can't go beyond 80%, perhaps 75% is the comfort zone for them.

 

 

PARADISE, INC - Time

Brazilian melodic rock that's fronted by Carsten Sculz (Evidence One). Pretty great album but shame they play too many ballads. Quite confused where they want to be in the MHR territory or AOR, but with a singing style like this and some splendid guitar showcase, they should apply more uptempo tunes. 'Time', 'Close Your Eyes', 'I Will Wait', 'No More Mistakes' are the better tunes, and 'Who's Fooling Who' is the champion. This latter track sound like classic Danger Danger, and packed with superb solos.

 

The bonus track, 'Steel or Stone' in acoustic version might not be the best pick, they probably should go with 'Who's Fooling Who' or 'No More Mistakes', but that version is better than the original, so still a nice addition. The production is also great, mixing was handled by Paul Logue (Eden's Curse) and mastered by Dennis Ward, so you know what to expect. I think this is a great buy, I gave it an 80%, but might climb to 85%, don't know yet, just avoid 'Wait and See' which is the worst filler here.

 

 

ROYAL HUNT - Show Me How To Live

Danish melodic rock/prog metal combo band with long-time singer DC Cooper is coming back to sing again after 13 years. Never been a fan of them and most of their old catalogue were so-so for me, around 60%-75% top, quite mediocre band I guess, but this one didn't disappoint though. Problem is, this is just quite on par with their prior releases, so real fans of RH should rejoice, but casual fans should search for another better albums. 'Half Past Loneliness' is the only stand-out track for me and the rest are okay to good. I also spotted more neoclassical approach here and less-prog, more heavy-metal attitude. 70% at best, good but ain't great.

 

 

SOUL SELLER - Back To Life

A melodic rock band, rough pictures of their sound is like Change of Heart meets Bon Jovi. Not exactly similar but the vibe is quite close to both bands. Half of this album is uptempo with around 2 ballads. Winners are 'Wings of Freedom', 'Change Your Heart Tonight', 'Keep On Moving' with Oliver Hartmann, 'Old Hero's Prayer', 'Back To Life' and 'New Power Day'. The production is great. Overall, a satisfying result, first touch around 75%, probably climb up to 80%, harmless to have, but just don't expect anything huge out of it, at least they don't have any worst songs at all.

 

 

THE MORNING AFTER - Legacy

now this band came out of nowhere and surprised me as it's a great one. Looks like a young UK band, they're mixing melodic rock with modern heavy metal, so if you remember Taking Dawn from last year, I guess this is pretty similar. Singer is definitely has a harsh pipe for MHR, but usual type you expect from a young heavy metal band. The strength of this band is the harmonies, either the vocal part and also guitars. Songs that I like here are 'America', 'The Witch Is On My Back', 'Over The Wire', Power Drive', and 'Nightmare Planet'.

 

The worst track is only 'Streams of Stars', not horrible but it's too long at 10 minutes, lots of wasted spaces, and not prog enough to be streched that long. 'Seasons' comes next, not a bad ballad tune again, but it's kinda out of place and not sync-ed with the rest of the album. I recommend you to try this if you can grab it, definitely won't disappoint. 80%!

 

 

VOODOO HIGHWAY - Broken Uncle's Inn

Classic hard rock band, heavy on 70s influences, especially the usage of Hammond organ, but too bad they just can't create a consistent album. Worthy tracks are 'Till It Bleeds', 'Running Around', and 'In Fact It's The Worst' (ironically, it's one of the better track lol). At least 4 fillers, and the rest are around 70%, so in the end, it's an average record, a 65%-70% type of album.

 

 

WARBRINGER - Worlds Torn Asunder

My search for great thrash albums stumbled again as Warbringer's latest album is good but also their worst so far. First half is better and some big numbers are 'Living Weapon', 'Shattered Like Glass', 'Wake Up.. Destroy', 'Treacherous Tongue', but unfortunately they slipped down slowly on the second half. No change at all in their style, still messing with Overkill/Exodus influences, only the songs are not up the Warbringer standard, or maybe it sounds too samey with before. 75%!

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THE MORNING AFTER - Legacy

now this band came out of nowhere and surprised me as it's a great one. Looks like a young UK band, they're mixing melodic rock with modern heavy metal, so if you remember Taking Dawn from last year, I guess this is pretty similar. Singer is definitely has a harsh pipe for MHR, but usual type you expect from a young heavy metal band. The strength of this band is the harmonies, either the vocal part and also guitars. Songs that I like here are 'America', 'The Witch Is On My Back', 'Over The Wire', Power Drive', and 'Nightmare Planet'.

 

The worst track is only 'Streams of Stars', not horrible but it's too long at 10 minutes, lots of wasted spaces, and not prog enough to be streched that long. 'Seasons' comes next, not a bad ballad tune again, but it's kinda out of place and not sync-ed with the rest of the album. I recommend you to try this if you can grab it, definitely won't disappoint. 80%!

 

 

 

I did start a thread on these guys but it got zero interest...probably because of the 5 seconds of rough (couldnt really call it growly) vocals in the you tube song...which is the only 5 seconds on the whole album. Overall its pretty good, worth a listen for sure.

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THE MORNING AFTER - Legacy

now this band came out of nowhere and surprised me as it's a great one. Looks like a young UK band, they're mixing melodic rock with modern heavy metal, so if you remember Taking Dawn from last year, I guess this is pretty similar. Singer is definitely has a harsh pipe for MHR, but usual type you expect from a young heavy metal band. The strength of this band is the harmonies, either the vocal part and also guitars. Songs that I like here are 'America', 'The Witch Is On My Back', 'Over The Wire', Power Drive', and 'Nightmare Planet'.

 

The worst track is only 'Streams of Stars', not horrible but it's too long at 10 minutes, lots of wasted spaces, and not prog enough to be streched that long. 'Seasons' comes next, not a bad ballad tune again, but it's kinda out of place and not sync-ed with the rest of the album. I recommend you to try this if you can grab it, definitely won't disappoint. 80%!

 

 

 

I did start a thread on these guys but it got zero interest...probably because of the 5 seconds of rough (couldnt really call it growly) vocals in the you tube song...which is the only 5 seconds on the whole album. Overall its pretty good, worth a listen for sure.

 

Dito, so did I haha! :drink:

 

It's a very nice album which I also rank around 80%, with 'America' and 'Nightmare Planet' being my faves.

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COASTLAND RIDE - On Top of The World (2011)

a late westcoast AOR discovery. I was blown away on how good is the first half of this album and almost think that this could be a nice contender to the top, especially on 'Act of Faith' and 'Wait' (which is the best track here). 'Second Chance', 'Made Up My Mind', and 'Sandra' are also great, but sadly from 'Save You From Yourself', it all went downhill, and I swear 'Jericho Falls' can even be a Michael Jackson filler. Production is good and vocally, he's quite close to Joey Tempest. Promising at start, but sloppy in the end, not bad though. 70%

 

 

CORNERSTONE - Somewhere In America (2011)

a satisfying Austrian female fronted band, standing in the border between AOR and contemporary pop with a small alternative rock touch. This isn't exactly a good description but think how Heart meets Soul Asylum with a smooth Wilson Philips edge. Easy listening type of album, light, with couple of strong tunes such as 'Breathing For You', 'Right or Wrong', 'Like A Stranger' (the best track!), 'Being Unaware', and 'High and Low'. Looks like this is the second album and deserved to have around 75%.

 

 

CROSSFADE - Secret Love (2011)

again, another late westcoast discovery, fronted by Goran Edman. This guy is awesome, he's really capable of handling metallic vocal to this soft,poppish, and jazzy type of music, very good singer indeed. This is a good album, but quite lengthy in most of the tracks (many are over 6 minutes) and weighted with more jazzy elements. Some winners here are 'A Wonderful Illusion', 'Secret Love', 'Don't Ask Me Why', 'Waiting For A Miracle', and the instrumental tune, 'Borrowdale'. An 80% from me!

 

 

LAST AUTUMN'S DREAM - Nine Lives (2012)

an album that just what you expect from Erlandsson's camp, nothing's new, no risk-taking, and came out exactly from LAD's template. Very similar to their previous albums therefore no real added value if you already have their previous albums but for completist, this is a must. Some great tracks here are 'Is This Just Another Heartache', 'Golden Cage' (the best!), 'All I Can Think Of', 'The Last I Know', 'We Never Said Goodbye'.

 

Couple of different style tracks here are 'Megalomania' which is a blend of Coldplay and AOR, weird but effective and 'Angel Eyes' has that new wave feel. The bonus track is quite bland so Jap release isn't recommended. Overall, this is slightly lower than the last two albums, but still a solid one. 80% and looks like will stay that way.

 

 

PRIMAL FEAR - Unbreakable (2012)

now this is better than I expected!

 

From the first single, I thought this is gonna be a mediocre metal, but turns out to be an exciting one. If you're familiar with the old PRIMAL FEAR, well this is the exactly old sounding PRIMAL FEAR. Heavy metal that's close to Judas Priest and thrown in with the Euro Power Metal a la classic Helloween, an awesome vocal handling by Scheepers and a lethal duet on guitars (the harmonic and solos are beautiful).

 

'Bad Guys Wear Black' isn't the strongest tune here but 'Strike' and 'And There Was Silence', both are in the power metal territory. 'Give Em Hell', 'Unbreakable Part 2', and 'Conviction' are the other great tunes, and the rest are great except 'Born Again' is slightly sloppy, looks like ballad doesn't fit here. Production is great and might not be a friendly album to AOR/MHR fans, but metal fans should chew this fun and easy. 85% for now and I'll see whether it can climb the sky to 90%!

 

 

RED, WHITE, & BLUES - Shine (2011)

a forgotten album i guess - a project of Matti Alfonzetti and Myke Gray, both are ex-JAGGED EDGE with Gray also in SKIN. A bit bluesy and similar to AC/DC, THUNDER, SKIN, and early WHITESNAKE. Great tracks here are 'Stand Up For Rock N Roll', Shame Shame', the title track, 'A Little Too Late' (a nice piece of acoustical ballad), 'Good Times' (really similar to Lenny Kravitz 'Are You Gonna Go My Way' style), and 'The Best Is Yet To Come'. Good but not great, with 14 tracks, leaving out 2-3 fillers off the math, and I'll arrive at 70%.

 

 

STRANGEWAYS - Age of Reason (2011)

and I thought this is going to be disastrous, but they didn't deserve the bash as 'Age of Reason' is actually much better than the previous album. One thing they promised is that they're going back to the 'Walk In The Fire' era isn't entirely true. Sure there are couple of vibes and moments that are similar but overall this is a very laid back album, not much power, very westcoast I must say, and this is weird but I can spot some U2 feel to the whole album.

 

I'll say it's a midnight/headphone type of album, definitely not the one you want to listen while driving unless you want to fall asleep quickly. Brock's vocal is magnificent as usual and to be honest, most of the songs are good to great, with personal faves here are 'Run', 'Playin' It Over', 'As We Fall', 'Call', and 'Silver Moon'. 'Frozen' is the only heavy song here but unfortunately, is also the weakest.

 

I think this worth a solid 80%, although might slip to 75% later. And in the westcoast league of 2011, it's better than MECCA, almost on par with CROSSFADE, but defeated by WILLIAMS/FRIESTEDT.

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Beggars & Thieves - We Are The Brokenhearted

This is a great great album. I can't believe how good this sounds and how many great songs there are. Sure I wish there were some more rocking songs but this is a much more mature and classy disc. While it's not as good as the debut it still is great IMO. "Oil and Water" is one of my favs of 2011 and "We Come Undone" is amazing too. "Beautiful Losers", "Innocence", "Midnight Blue" and "Stranded" are the standout tracks so far for me. Louie's voice sounds like amazing and Ronnie has wrote some great tunes and plays some great solos.

 

Yeah that one's come out without a lot of fanfare but is very good IMO. Nice and mellow...

This one, along with Fate and Alfonzetti's new one were the newcomers during my holidays and whilst Alfonzetti was the clear winner and Fate the clear runner-up, this is a good, solid CD. Like their debut it doesn't amaze and thrill me... but it's a good, solid and well delivered CD.

 

As for the Vain discussions... way too much pot in the air around here. 'Enough rope' is an excellent new disc and I LOVE it. But the statements about it being as good as the debut are ridiculous, imo. I like every song on it, seriously, but to say stuff like 'Greener,' 'Triple X,' 'Hot Stage Lights,' 'Stray Kitty Burns,' 'Treasure Girl' or 'Solid Gold' are as good as songs on the debut... well, not on my watch, Jose. Sure, 'Cindy,' 'Enough Rope,' 'Distance of love' and 'Vain' are as good as songs on their debut... but the overall quality of 'No Respect' is as close to flawless as any album every really got. 'Enough rope is excellent, but 'No Respect' is a masterpiece.

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The VAIN discussion will be an endless one, mate. If you spun 'No Respect' like ten thousand times for the past 20 years, it became a religion for you, and no way any other thing from him can top or touch that, but if you're not a VAIN die-hard and just listen to them from time to time, I think most people will see the new one possesses the same strength as the debut.

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The VAIN discussion will be an endless one, mate. If you spun 'No Respect' like ten thousand times for the past 20 years, it became a religion for you, and no way any other thing from him can top or touch that, but if you're not a VAIN die-hard and just listen to them from time to time, I think most people will see the new one possesses the same strength as the debut.

 

backed. Both albums have their strengths and weaknesses. Oh and Geoff, just for the record, I rated 'The Distance Of Love' as the worst song on the album ;-))

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The VAIN discussion will be an endless one, mate. If you spun 'No Respect' like ten thousand times for the past 20 years, it became a religion for you, and no way any other thing from him can top or touch that, but if you're not a VAIN die-hard and just listen to them from time to time, I think most people will see the new one possesses the same strength as the debut.

Agree 100%. If Vain had released "No Respect" and "Enough Rope" on exactly the same day instead of 23 years apart, I think a lot more people would be claiming they were equal (and some of us, myself included, claiming "Enough Rope" is superior). "No Respect" has the benefit of having been spun by everyone for nearly a quarter-century...hard for "Enough Rope" to overcome it's "newcomer" status. As noted above, the Vain diehards are going to continue to fall to their knees and worship "No Respect," (personally, I don't get it...the album is good, but nothing more), while those of us who are more casual fans are apt to give "Enough Rope" equal--or better--footing. It's just the way it is and the way it will always be.

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Beggars & Thieves - We Are The Brokenhearted

This is a great great album. I can't believe how good this sounds and how many great songs there are. Sure I wish there were some more rocking songs but this is a much more mature and classy disc. While it's not as good as the debut it still is great IMO. "Oil and Water" is one of my favs of 2011 and "We Come Undone" is amazing too. "Beautiful Losers", "Innocence", "Midnight Blue" and "Stranded" are the standout tracks so far for me. Louie's voice sounds like amazing and Ronnie has wrote some great tunes and plays some great solos.

 

Yeah that one's come out without a lot of fanfare but is very good IMO. Nice and mellow...

This one, along with Fate and Alfonzetti's new one were the newcomers during my holidays and whilst Alfonzetti was the clear winner and Fate the clear runner-up, this is a good, solid CD. Like their debut it doesn't amaze and thrill me... but it's a good, solid and well delivered CD.

 

As for the Vain discussions... way too much pot in the air around here. 'Enough rope' is an excellent new disc and I LOVE it. But the statements about it being as good as the debut are ridiculous, imo. I like every song on it, seriously, but to say stuff like 'Greener,' 'Triple X,' 'Hot Stage Lights,' 'Stray Kitty Burns,' 'Treasure Girl' or 'Solid Gold' are as good as songs on the debut... well, not on my watch, Jose. Sure, 'Cindy,' 'Enough Rope,' 'Distance of love' and 'Vain' are as good as songs on their debut... but the overall quality of 'No Respect' is as close to flawless as any album every really got. 'Enough rope is excellent, but 'No Respect' is a masterpiece.

I couldn't have said it better myself cousin.

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Beggars & Thieves - We Are The Brokenhearted

This is a great great album. I can't believe how good this sounds and how many great songs there are. Sure I wish there were some more rocking songs but this is a much more mature and classy disc. While it's not as good as the debut it still is great IMO. "Oil and Water" is one of my favs of 2011 and "We Come Undone" is amazing too. "Beautiful Losers", "Innocence", "Midnight Blue" and "Stranded" are the standout tracks so far for me. Louie's voice sounds like amazing and Ronnie has wrote some great tunes and plays some great solos.

 

Yeah that one's come out without a lot of fanfare but is very good IMO. Nice and mellow...

This one, along with Fate and Alfonzetti's new one were the newcomers during my holidays and whilst Alfonzetti was the clear winner and Fate the clear runner-up, this is a good, solid CD. Like their debut it doesn't amaze and thrill me... but it's a good, solid and well delivered CD.

 

As for the Vain discussions... way too much pot in the air around here. 'Enough rope' is an excellent new disc and I LOVE it. But the statements about it being as good as the debut are ridiculous, imo. I like every song on it, seriously, but to say stuff like 'Greener,' 'Triple X,' 'Hot Stage Lights,' 'Stray Kitty Burns,' 'Treasure Girl' or 'Solid Gold' are as good as songs on the debut... well, not on my watch, Jose. Sure, 'Cindy,' 'Enough Rope,' 'Distance of love' and 'Vain' are as good as songs on their debut... but the overall quality of 'No Respect' is as close to flawless as any album every really got. 'Enough rope is excellent, but 'No Respect' is a masterpiece.

I couldn't have said it better myself cousin.

Yeah, I don't know how to say it any clearer. I can kind of see where the guys are coming from above but I so 100% totally disagree. The song-writing on 'No Respect' is close to flawless. Relentless, too. I can't state it more clearly than a rough guide as to how I'd rate the songs:

 

This would be roughly how I would rate 'No Respect':

 

01. Secrets - 9.5

02. Beat The Bullet - 10

03. Who's Watching You - 9.5

04. 1000 Degrees - 10

05. Aces - 10

06. Smoke And Shadows - 9.5

07. No Respect - 10

08. Laws Against Love - 10

09. Down For The 3rd Time - 10

10. Icy - 10

11. Without You - 10

12. Ready - 8

 

And this is my current review for 'Enough Rope':

 

1 - Greener - 7.75

2 - Triple X - 7.25

3 - Hot stage lights - 7.75

4 - Stray kitten burns - 7.5

5 - Cindy - 9.5

6 - Treasure girl - 8

7 - Enough rope - 9.25

8 - Solid gold - 8.25

9 - Distance of love - 9.25

10 - Vain - 9.5

11 - Worship you - 9

 

20 years difference, same release dates... nothing can change the fact that 'No Respect' features timeless, utterly classic songs. 'Enough Rope' is, as I said, excellent... but it's simply just not up to that standard. And time sincerely has nothing to do with it. Like I said elsewhere, as much as I love 'Enough Rope' I actually also prefer the brilliant 'Move on it' and 'All those strangers.'

 

Vain have released some truly amazing albums, but there are degrees of amazement and imo 'No Respect' remains easily untouched.

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Beggars & Thieves - We Are The Brokenhearted

This is a great great album. I can't believe how good this sounds and how many great songs there are. Sure I wish there were some more rocking songs but this is a much more mature and classy disc. While it's not as good as the debut it still is great IMO. "Oil and Water" is one of my favs of 2011 and "We Come Undone" is amazing too. "Beautiful Losers", "Innocence", "Midnight Blue" and "Stranded" are the standout tracks so far for me. Louie's voice sounds like amazing and Ronnie has wrote some great tunes and plays some great solos.

 

Yeah that one's come out without a lot of fanfare but is very good IMO. Nice and mellow...

This one, along with Fate and Alfonzetti's new one were the newcomers during my holidays and whilst Alfonzetti was the clear winner and Fate the clear runner-up, this is a good, solid CD. Like their debut it doesn't amaze and thrill me... but it's a good, solid and well delivered CD.

 

As for the Vain discussions... way too much pot in the air around here. 'Enough rope' is an excellent new disc and I LOVE it. But the statements about it being as good as the debut are ridiculous, imo. I like every song on it, seriously, but to say stuff like 'Greener,' 'Triple X,' 'Hot Stage Lights,' 'Stray Kitty Burns,' 'Treasure Girl' or 'Solid Gold' are as good as songs on the debut... well, not on my watch, Jose. Sure, 'Cindy,' 'Enough Rope,' 'Distance of love' and 'Vain' are as good as songs on their debut... but the overall quality of 'No Respect' is as close to flawless as any album every really got. 'Enough rope is excellent, but 'No Respect' is a masterpiece.

I couldn't have said it better myself cousin.

Yeah, I don't know how to say it any clearer. I can kind of see where the guys are coming from above but I so 100% totally disagree. The song-writing on 'No Respect' is close to flawless. Relentless, too. I can't state it more clearly than a rough guide as to how I'd rate the songs:

 

This would be roughly how I would rate 'No Respect':

 

01. Secrets - 9.5

02. Beat The Bullet - 10

03. Who's Watching You - 9.5

04. 1000 Degrees - 10

05. Aces - 10

06. Smoke And Shadows - 9.5

07. No Respect - 10

08. Laws Against Love - 10

09. Down For The 3rd Time - 10

10. Icy - 10

11. Without You - 10

12. Ready - 8

 

And this is my current review for 'Enough Rope':

 

1 - Greener - 7.75

2 - Triple X - 7.25

3 - Hot stage lights - 7.75

4 - Stray kitten burns - 7.5

5 - Cindy - 9.5

6 - Treasure girl - 8

7 - Enough rope - 9.25

8 - Solid gold - 8.25

9 - Distance of love - 9.25

10 - Vain - 9.5

11 - Worship you - 9

 

20 years difference, same release dates... nothing can change the fact that 'No Respect' features timeless, utterly classic songs. 'Enough Rope' is, as I said, excellent... but it's simply just not up to that standard. And time sincerely has nothing to do with it. Like I said elsewhere, as much as I love 'Enough Rope' I actually also prefer the brilliant 'Move on it' and 'All those strangers.'

 

Vain have released some truly amazing albums, but there are degrees of amazement and imo 'No Respect' remains easily untouched.

 

 

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Yeah, I don't know how to say it any clearer. I can kind of see where the guys are coming from above but I so 100% totally disagree. The song-writing on 'No Respect' is close to flawless. Relentless, too. I can't state it more clearly than a rough guide as to how I'd rate the songs:

 

20 years difference, same release dates... nothing can change the fact that 'No Respect' features timeless, utterly classic songs. 'Enough Rope' is, as I said, excellent... but it's simply just not up to that standard. And time sincerely has nothing to do with it. Like I said elsewhere, as much as I love 'Enough Rope' I actually also prefer the brilliant 'Move on it' and 'All those strangers.'

 

Vain have released some truly amazing albums, but there are degrees of amazement and imo 'No Respect' remains easily untouched.

 

Really? I know we often disagree and I dislike things that you guys like, etc, but I absolutely hate 'No Respect'. Couldn't wait to sell the CD and will never listen to the band again (other than 'Beat The Bullet', which is bearable).

 

Strange that we all love hard rock music, but our tastes can differ so much within the genre.

 

(BTW, please don't ban me. :unsure:)

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Beggars & Thieves - We Are The Brokenhearted

This is a great great album. I can't believe how good this sounds and how many great songs there are. Sure I wish there were some more rocking songs but this is a much more mature and classy disc. While it's not as good as the debut it still is great IMO. "Oil and Water" is one of my favs of 2011 and "We Come Undone" is amazing too. "Beautiful Losers", "Innocence", "Midnight Blue" and "Stranded" are the standout tracks so far for me. Louie's voice sounds like amazing and Ronnie has wrote some great tunes and plays some great solos.

 

Yeah that one's come out without a lot of fanfare but is very good IMO. Nice and mellow...

This one, along with Fate and Alfonzetti's new one were the newcomers during my holidays and whilst Alfonzetti was the clear winner and Fate the clear runner-up, this is a good, solid CD. Like their debut it doesn't amaze and thrill me... but it's a good, solid and well delivered CD.

 

As for the Vain discussions... way too much pot in the air around here. 'Enough rope' is an excellent new disc and I LOVE it. But the statements about it being as good as the debut are ridiculous, imo. I like every song on it, seriously, but to say stuff like 'Greener,' 'Triple X,' 'Hot Stage Lights,' 'Stray Kitty Burns,' 'Treasure Girl' or 'Solid Gold' are as good as songs on the debut... well, not on my watch, Jose. Sure, 'Cindy,' 'Enough Rope,' 'Distance of love' and 'Vain' are as good as songs on their debut... but the overall quality of 'No Respect' is as close to flawless as any album every really got. 'Enough rope is excellent, but 'No Respect' is a masterpiece.

I couldn't have said it better myself cousin.

Yeah, I don't know how to say it any clearer. I can kind of see where the guys are coming from above but I so 100% totally disagree. The song-writing on 'No Respect' is close to flawless. Relentless, too. I can't state it more clearly than a rough guide as to how I'd rate the songs:

 

This would be roughly how I would rate 'No Respect':

 

01. Secrets - 9.5

02. Beat The Bullet - 10

03. Who's Watching You - 9.5

04. 1000 Degrees - 10

05. Aces - 10

06. Smoke And Shadows - 9.5

07. No Respect - 10

08. Laws Against Love - 10

09. Down For The 3rd Time - 10

10. Icy - 10

11. Without You - 10

12. Ready - 8

 

And this is my current review for 'Enough Rope':

 

1 - Greener - 7.75

2 - Triple X - 7.25

3 - Hot stage lights - 7.75

4 - Stray kitten burns - 7.5

5 - Cindy - 9.5

6 - Treasure girl - 8

7 - Enough rope - 9.25

8 - Solid gold - 8.25

9 - Distance of love - 9.25

10 - Vain - 9.5

11 - Worship you - 9

 

20 years difference, same release dates... nothing can change the fact that 'No Respect' features timeless, utterly classic songs. 'Enough Rope' is, as I said, excellent... but it's simply just not up to that standard. And time sincerely has nothing to do with it. Like I said elsewhere, as much as I love 'Enough Rope' I actually also prefer the brilliant 'Move on it' and 'All those strangers.'

 

Vain have released some truly amazing albums, but there are degrees of amazement and imo 'No Respect' remains easily untouched.

 

 

:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

 

lol, if No Respect has got 8 flawless 10/10 songs on it Im a monkeys uncle. This is our whole point about the difference between a 'fan boy' view of their debut and putting both albums in front of an unbiased melodic rock listener.

 

Ive said it once and I'll say it again, there is very little difference between the songs on these albums, whether it be hook, vocal delivery, style of song, playing. If anything the new album rocks a little harder in places, and yeah the debut is a little more consistent, but the fact remains by anyones standards that 'Cindy' and 'Worship You' absolutely crucify any song on the debut.

 

I'd probably rate them both about 90%.

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Beggars & Thieves - We Are The Brokenhearted

This is a great great album. I can't believe how good this sounds and how many great songs there are. Sure I wish there were some more rocking songs but this is a much more mature and classy disc. While it's not as good as the debut it still is great IMO. "Oil and Water" is one of my favs of 2011 and "We Come Undone" is amazing too. "Beautiful Losers", "Innocence", "Midnight Blue" and "Stranded" are the standout tracks so far for me. Louie's voice sounds like amazing and Ronnie has wrote some great tunes and plays some great solos.

 

Yeah that one's come out without a lot of fanfare but is very good IMO. Nice and mellow...

This one, along with Fate and Alfonzetti's new one were the newcomers during my holidays and whilst Alfonzetti was the clear winner and Fate the clear runner-up, this is a good, solid CD. Like their debut it doesn't amaze and thrill me... but it's a good, solid and well delivered CD.

 

As for the Vain discussions... way too much pot in the air around here. 'Enough rope' is an excellent new disc and I LOVE it. But the statements about it being as good as the debut are ridiculous, imo. I like every song on it, seriously, but to say stuff like 'Greener,' 'Triple X,' 'Hot Stage Lights,' 'Stray Kitty Burns,' 'Treasure Girl' or 'Solid Gold' are as good as songs on the debut... well, not on my watch, Jose. Sure, 'Cindy,' 'Enough Rope,' 'Distance of love' and 'Vain' are as good as songs on their debut... but the overall quality of 'No Respect' is as close to flawless as any album every really got. 'Enough rope is excellent, but 'No Respect' is a masterpiece.

I couldn't have said it better myself cousin.

Yeah, I don't know how to say it any clearer. I can kind of see where the guys are coming from above but I so 100% totally disagree. The song-writing on 'No Respect' is close to flawless. Relentless, too. I can't state it more clearly than a rough guide as to how I'd rate the songs:

 

This would be roughly how I would rate 'No Respect':

 

01. Secrets - 9.5

02. Beat The Bullet - 10

03. Who's Watching You - 9.5

04. 1000 Degrees - 10

05. Aces - 10

06. Smoke And Shadows - 9.5

07. No Respect - 10

08. Laws Against Love - 10

09. Down For The 3rd Time - 10

10. Icy - 10

11. Without You - 10

12. Ready - 8

 

And this is my current review for 'Enough Rope':

 

1 - Greener - 7.75

2 - Triple X - 7.25

3 - Hot stage lights - 7.75

4 - Stray kitten burns - 7.5

5 - Cindy - 9.5

6 - Treasure girl - 8

7 - Enough rope - 9.25

8 - Solid gold - 8.25

9 - Distance of love - 9.25

10 - Vain - 9.5

11 - Worship you - 9

 

20 years difference, same release dates... nothing can change the fact that 'No Respect' features timeless, utterly classic songs. 'Enough Rope' is, as I said, excellent... but it's simply just not up to that standard. And time sincerely has nothing to do with it. Like I said elsewhere, as much as I love 'Enough Rope' I actually also prefer the brilliant 'Move on it' and 'All those strangers.'

 

Vain have released some truly amazing albums, but there are degrees of amazement and imo 'No Respect' remains easily untouched.

 

 

:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

 

lol, if No Respect has got 8 flawless 10/10 songs on it Im a monkeys uncle. This is our whole point about the difference between a 'fan boy' view of their debut and putting both albums in front of an unbiased melodic rock listener.

 

Ive said it once and I'll say it again, there is very little difference between the songs on these albums, whether it be hook, vocal delivery, style of song, playing. If anything the new album rocks a little harder in places, and yeah the debut is a little more consistent, but the fact remains by anyones standards that 'Cindy' and 'Worship You' absolutely crucify any song on the debut.

 

I'd probably rate them both about 90%.

Well say hi to your brother's monkey son for me, because 'No respect' isn't in my top 10 list of all time albums because it's got a few 8/10 tracks on it and a free hair scrunchie with every order. It is one of my all time top 10 albums because more than half of the CD is pure perfection.

 

To each their own, but I can't move on this one. No comparison at all between the quality of the 2 albums and anyone who thinks otherwise is in serious need of a break from illegal substances.

 

If I'm a "fan boy" because I acknowledge when an album is rightfully worthwhile of it's place in musical history, well then I guess that's what I am. But does this mean that everyone who likes a CD is a "fan boy?" A lot of hommus on that sexual, imo.

 

'Cindy,' 'Enough Rope,' 'Vain' and 'Distance of love' are on par with stuff on the debut, but there's no crucifying of any sort going on there.

 

And for the record, my overall rating for 'Enough Rope' was 89%. I do sexy things aside from just the total of the individual song scores. ;)

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I think this VAIN case is almost the same case with SKID ROW vs SLAVE TO THE GRIND or DANGER DANGER vs SCREW IT, quite identical in terms of strength but everyone has different opinions about which one is better, some call it even, there's no right or wrong to it I guess, it's all really about personal taste.

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I think this VAIN case is almost the same case with SKID ROW vs SLAVE TO THE GRIND or DANGER DANGER vs SCREW IT, quite identical in terms of strength but everyone has different opinions about which one is better, some call it even, there's no right or wrong to it I guess, it's all really about personal taste.

 

+ 1.

 

But then I have been pretty fair in my assessment of these 2 albums, but to state that the debut is miles better is just weird IMO. Hey ho I'm done with my bit, time to move on.

 

There were several albums last year which eclipsed both in any case so can't see what all the fuss is about really.

 

Waiting for the real kings of sleaze to return in 2012 - ie crashdiet & Crazy Lixx ;-)

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