Sam has been caught out big-time

[koogles]

hey Peck, that doesn't mean i run or work for his company , i was just doing him a favor at the time. Have i done it since? No.

But if i choose to, then i will - he or Retrospect certainly have not offended ME in any way.

Why do you think the world should all think like Koogles and bow down to the ebay / record label / international CD sales police chief?

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Well, I'd rather be on MY side of the law than on Sam's. It's YOU that gave me the title of police chief. But the real question is: can you afford to bail your brother out when the long arm of the law drags Sammy, kicking and screaming like a 6-year old child, off to a cold, dark jail to meet his 250-pound, tattoo-wearing cell mate named Bubba??!!

[Geoff]

Hey everyone.  I just popped in to see what's going on.  Did I miss anything exciting?    

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You certainly didn't miss anything exciting... but I'm glad you dropped in now or you might have missed this!!!

 

[Recordjnky]

hey Peck, that doesn't mean i run or work for his company , i was just doing him a favor at the time. Have i done it since? No.

But if i choose to, then i will - he or Retrospect certainly have not offended ME in any way.

Why do you think the world should all think like Koogles and bow down to the ebay / record label / international CD sales police chief?

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Well, I'd rather be on MY side of the law than on Sam's. It's YOU that gave me the title of police chief. But the real question is: can you afford to bail your brother out when the long arm of the law drags Sammy, kicking and screaming like a 6-year old child, off to a cold, dark jail to meet his 250-pound, tattoo-wearing cell mate named Bubba??!!

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Its gonna suck for you when you finally wake up and realise that Sam's business continues to prosper. Apparently (and this is NOT officially coming from the "Retrospect camp" because i do not represent RR - remember?) his sales are increasing day by day. And i don't see crap happening on the "legal" front either. So it seems all attempts to bring him down are fruitless and pointless.

[chocularok]

Its gonna suck for you when you finally wake up and realise that Sam's business continues to prosper. Apparently (and this is NOT officially coming from the "Retrospect camp" because i do not represent RR - remember?) his sales are increasing day by day. And i don't see crap happening on the "legal" front either. So it seems all attempts to bring him down are fruitless and pointless.   

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If you don't want to be associated with the "Retrospect camp", you might want to stop with the insider info. When you keep speaking of sales increasing & legal issues, it puts you spuare in the middle of that camp, whether you like it or not. Just my 2 cents.

[koogles]

Well said chocularok.... and recordjnky, we're not trying to bring him down. Sam's doing it to himself. With old-fashioned greed and lack of respect for artistic licence.

 

I said it before and I'll repeat it for any slow learners out there: it's not about wanting to see Sam fail... it's about trying to make sure people KNOW what they're getting for their money and not getting royally B.S.-ed through a smokescreen of vague language like import and reissue. It's also about making sure the bands are aware their work is being re-released and, in the end, getting compensated fairly. Add to that reasonable prices and legitimate silver pressings... is that too much to ask?

 

But, nope, everytime I bring these valid issues up, out come the childish insults from the RR cheap seats (and those quasi-Retrospect fence-sitters who are bold enough to defend Retrospect but too wishy washy to represent them in an official sense. To you I say- piss or get off the pot!!!)

[Recordjnky]

Well said chocularok.... and recordjnky, we're not trying to bring him down. Sam's doing it to himself. With old-fashioned greed and lack of respect for artistic licence.

 

I said it before and I'll repeat it for any slow learners out there: it's not about wanting to see Sam fail... it's about trying to make sure people KNOW what they're getting for their money and not getting royally B.S.-ed through a smokescreen of vague language like import and reissue.  It's also about making sure the bands are aware their work is being re-released and, in the end, getting compensated fairly. Add to that reasonable prices and legitimate silver pressings... is that too much to ask?

 

But, nope, everytime I bring these valid issues up, out come the childish insults from the RR cheap seats (and those quasi-Retrospect fence-sitters who are bold enough to defend Retrospect but too wishy washy to represent them in an official sense. To you I say- piss or get off the pot!!!)

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And to you i say thats the pot calling the kettle black. Give it up , peck, you ain't gonna win - perhaps you have forgotten that Sam is my brother so of course i am gonna find out some info in passing - either way, i got my own thing going on so i am not really that interested in whats happening with RR. But it doesn't take a microscope and a fine tooth comb to see you and your elitist anti-RR camp's agenda. And its just plain ugly.

[STARZ]

Well said chocularok.... and recordjnky, we're not trying to bring him down. Sam's doing it to himself. With old-fashioned greed and lack of respect for artistic licence.

 

I said it before and I'll repeat it for any slow learners out there: it's not about wanting to see Sam fail... it's about trying to make sure people KNOW what they're getting for their money and not getting royally B.S.-ed through a smokescreen of vague language like import and reissue.  It's also about making sure the bands are aware their work is being re-released and, in the end, getting compensated fairly. Add to that reasonable prices and legitimate silver pressings... is that too much to ask?

 

But, nope, everytime I bring these valid issues up, out come the childish insults from the RR cheap seats (and those quasi-Retrospect fence-sitters who are bold enough to defend Retrospect but too wishy washy to represent them in an official sense. To you I say- piss or get off the pot!!!)

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And to you i say thats the pot calling the kettle black. Give it up , peck, you ain't gonna win - perhaps you have forgotten that Sam is my brother so of course i am gonna find out some info in passing - either way, i got my own thing going on so i am not really that interested in whats happening with RR. But it doesn't take a microscope and a fine tooth comb to see you and your elitist anti-RR camp's agenda. And its just plain ugly.

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If your not interested in what is happening at RR, and growth is happening and money is rolling in, why are you even bothering responding?

[David]

Well, Recordjunkie. Why don't you go ask your brother why he ripped Sweet Teaze off and then get back to us?? He has gone very quite lately.

 

Dave

[Recordjnky]

Well, Recordjunkie.  Why don't you go ask your brother why he ripped Sweet Teaze off and then get back to us??  He has gone very quite lately.

 

Dave

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Yes i suppose i could do that. But why be your puppet? I don't care enough to know if he really did rip off Sweet Teaze. It has nothing to do with me - I have my own business to tend to. If he wants to respond to any allegations then why don't you email him about it? Perhaps he will answer....

[koogles]

And to you i say thats the pot calling the kettle black. Give it up , peck, you ain't gonna win - perhaps you have forgotten that Sam is my brother so of course i am gonna find out some info in passing - either way, i got my own thing going on so i am not really that interested in whats happening with RR.  But it doesn't take a microscope and a fine tooth comb to see you and your elitist anti-RR camp's agenda. And its just plain ugly. 

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Yeah, recordjnky... instead of just pulling another empty cliche out of the air like "pot calling the kettle black", how about posting and actually saying something meaningful or something we haven't heard before?

 

And you want to talk ugly....put yourself in the shoes of Matt from Sweet Teaze whose only souvenirs of sluggin' it out for years in dirty bars for a few nickels are a handful of memories, a few lingering fans and a CD full of songs you poured your heart and soul into... only watch these minor glories whored out before your very eyes by one man's greedy empire.

 

You and your brother are both musicians, right? With that, I expect some understanding of the how hard musicians have to work and the labors involved with writing and recording music. But if you've somehow forgotten, let me remind you.

 

Like Sam, I was and still am a rock keyboardist and used to spend many long nights with Cubase and Cakewalk working out sequences and arranging parts. Multiply this attention to detail and these hours of practice by 4 or 5 (as in 4 or 5 different band members). Then there's the recording process, as you're probably well aware, can be just as gruelling. Ignoring the rigors of making a CD for a moment... the financial demands can be just as overwhelming, especially for indie bands. Studio time can range from $40/hr (if you're lucky) to $80/hr+. Add to that CD manufacturing costs, marketing expenses (in the case of Sweet Teaze, the pre-internet, pre-My Space era meant a lot more pavement pounding) and the cost of touring (playing in crappy bars for next-to-nothing... now divide next-to-nothing among 4 or 5 members).

 

Lucky just to break even, right?

 

Well, put yourself in the shoes of Sweet Teaze. How would YOU feel if all your years of struggling to make it, all your hard hours of playing and recording, and all your sweat, blood, hopes and dreams turned up on eBay... completely behind your back, with the biggest kick in the teeth being that it's peddled in quantity by some slimy opportunist in Vegas who isn't going to pay you a dime for it.

 

Forget who your brother is for a moment.... how would YOU feel as a musician, Aaron?

[Dave]

You guys are worse than my students with ADD or ADHD. The added H is for hyper.

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Awww, c'mon! This thread needed a litle levity, dontcha think?

 

-Dan

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You're right, anything that has to do with Retrospect needs a little fun, here and there. But the ADHD thing may still hold true for some.

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Very true, there are some deadset f*ckin' loonies on this site! I'm just glad I'm one of the sensible ones.

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Geoff , i would not put that to a vote if i was you