Sam has been caught out big-time

[LV KIX]

At least all the bands on David's label actually KNOW their stuff has been "reissued". So Mr LV, why don't we try to stay on topic here instead of trying to divert the attention elsewhere? 

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I agree with T-BONE!

 

First of all, Matt Mathews is here on the board himself and clearly stated SAM has ripped them off -> http://heavyharmonies.ipbhost.com/index.ph...ndpost&p=134593, so that, and the fact no one from Retrospect and crew had responded speakes volumes on the issue!

 

Also, the attempt on switching the attention to some poor private trader who had the misfortune to trade Sun City stuff to LV KIX, from a mass-bootlegger who produces hundreds of copies which sells for his own profit is nothing but hilarious!

I don't know who the person which traded LV the stuff is, but the comparison on this particular issue between him and Sam is like comparing apples to pears. 3-rd grade efford at best

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Do you mean "effort"..? Speaking of third grade...

 

Again StormlessSpell.... you speak without understanding. If Dan is gonna come down on me for me having a copy of anything that is in print... then he should come down on those who supply. Some of you who stand up in here and act so moral are the same ones who have supplied me with "in print" material. Look in the mirror.

 

PS: I don't care what what Dan or most of you here think of me personally... I don't give a rats ass. Could it possibly be you StormlessSpell who supplied me with any of these...?

[zacharyamelie]

Let's get back on track with the thread at hand. So what happens now? A waiting game to see who else Sam screwed or screws over. I'm guessing the wait won't be long.

[Swazi]

A little earlier on I noticed that a new member quickly peeped into this thread:

 

Hardrockingcollector

 

Now I wonder who that could have been ... ???

 

[stormspell]

Do you mean "effort"..?  Speaking of third grade...

 

Good one.

Provided I moved to USA 5 years ago and English isnt my first language, yes, I take all the blame for making typos and grammar mistakes. If this offends you too much, please feel free to write to me in Russian or Bulgarian - I'm more fluent on them than English for sure. I also manage to communicate in Macedonian, Czech, and Polish, so I can take the effort if it will suit you, take your pick.

 

Again StormlessSpell.... you speak without understanding. If Dan is gonna come down on me for me having a copy of anything that is in print... then he should come down on those who supply. Some of you who stand up in here and act so moral are the same ones who have supplied me with "in print" material. Look in the mirror.

 

Why sould I look in the mirror? I'm certainly NOT the one who traded you any sort of CDR. Nor I EVER traded any of the SunCity releases to anyone on that matter. I dont even own any of David's releases .

 

Anyway, Dan came down on you post-factum in the context of your previous post. He didnt bash you for CDR trading in general, I think this is more than obvious. If not, ask him, he will explain himself better I can do with my broken English, yeah.

 

PS: I don't care what what Dan or most of you here think of me personally... I don't give a rats ass. Could it possibly be you StormlessSpell who supplied me with any of these...?

 

Dude, trying to tell I had traded you whatever CDRs is an utterly low and stupid lie! I'm in awe a person can go so low on this forum!

 

I'm expecting you to come out and apologize to me for blaming me for someting I havent done!

[stormspell]

Let's get back on track with the thread at hand. So what happens now? A waiting game to see who else Sam screwed or screws over. I'm guessing the wait won't be long. 

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Yes, I apologize, LV KIX managed to blow my fuse with his outrageous lie. I realize this is their only way to sabotage this thread, and will not let myself getting involved in such treachery again.

[LV KIX]

Do you mean "effort"..?  Speaking of third grade...

 

Good one.

Provided I moved to USA 5 years ago and English isnt my first language, yes, I take all the blame for making typos and grammar mistakes. If this offends you too much, please feel free to write to me in Russian or Bulgarian - I'm more fluent on them than English for sure. I also manage to communicate in Macedonian, Czech, and Polish, so I can take the effort if it will suit you, take your pick.

 

Again StormlessSpell.... you speak without understanding. If Dan is gonna come down on me for me having a copy of anything that is in print... then he should come down on those who supply. Some of you who stand up in here and act so moral are the same ones who have supplied me with "in print" material. Look in the mirror.

 

Why sould I look in the mirror? I'm certainly NOT the one who traded you any sort of CDR. Nor I EVER traded any of the SunCity releases to anyone on that matter. I dont even own any of David's releases .

 

Anyway, Dan came down on you post-factum in the context of your previous post. He didnt bash you for CDR trading in general, I think this is more than obvious. If not, ask him, he will explain himself better I can do with my broken English, yeah.

 

PS: I don't care what what Dan or most of you here think of me personally... I don't give a rats ass. Could it possibly be you StormlessSpell who supplied me with any of these...?

 

Dude, trying to tell I had traded you whatever CDRs is an utterly low and stupid lie! I'm in awe a person can go so low on this forum!

 

I'm expecting you to come out and apologize to me for blaming me for someting I havent done!

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Nothing personal against you Stormspell. Just so happens that my spelling was corrected in a post above... so I took this openning and ran with it. I could care less if everyone spells things correctly or not.

 

Secondly, I never said you did send me a CDR. Again just showing how members here can twist words. You are right, it may have looked like I implied that you were the one... truth be told many here do this same thing. As a matter of fact, I'll go on record as saying it wasn't you. Again, nothing personal if you were offended. And if it is an apology you want... consider this to be just that.

 

One thing I will not apoligize for are my opinions.... this isn't addressed toward Stormspell... but the board in general. And maybe I shouldn't have went off topic in this post... sorry if some feel it is off topic. I posted here because I believe it is not off topic. I 100% believe that David started this thread out of frustration... Frustration due to the fact that Retrospect has or will be releasing bands that Suncity was after. Business is business David.... if you make it too personal you will fail. Just as some say that Sams needs to act like a business owner... you too David should do the same. Sam apparently decided that he wasn't gonna play these little games with you here on the board. I'd just hate to see you lose sight of what you are (or should be) trying to accomplish. Just as Sam may have lost some customers for the way he handled things... you too may have lost some. With such a small number of releases... it doesn't seem you can afford to lose many. Before someone misconstrues anything... this is not an attack on you personally or any of the bands on your label. If you and Suncity are successful, more power to you. But don't take it personally when Retrospect or any other label offers more to an artist. I'm sure you would be the first to admitt... it's a business. Try to beat Retrospect by signing new bands... it will make you look better in the long run.

 

So again... Stormspell... I hope I straightened out things with you here. And David, good luck with future signings and the growth of Suncity.

 

Dave

[chocularok]

David's timing on this original post is perfect. Seems like his latest attack on Retrospect coincides with a personal issue. Seems as though David bashes Retrospect whenever Retrospect one ups Suncity. It must be tough for Suncity to keep losing all the bands they want because Retrospect gives them a better deal. This original post was yet another attack because Retrospect just signed another band you wish you had. As a matter of fact, maybe you even thought you had this band. Too bad for your sake that Retrospect pays better. Let the people here know the truth David.... tell them just how many bands you lost to Retrospect and then tell them the reason why you keep losing the bands. Maybe instead of just attacking you should step up to the plate and pay a little more. Think you can beat Sam in the "business world"? Or since you know you can't you come here and whine. Some of the offers you have made to bands is an insult... that's why they go elsewhere... and that is why you have ... what 3 or 4 bands on your label.

 

Cheers

Dave

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You're way out of line LV KIX...Dave started this thread because Sam was bootlegging Sweet Teaze...not because he lost out on some band signing...& it looks like he was right on the money considering how quiet it's been over in the Retrospect camp (until you started posting). That plus the fact that one of the band members has posted on this issue as well? And the best you've got is to come back with "well, at least he has more bands signed to his lable"?...man, that's weak...plus, as T-Bone stated, totally off-topic.

[stormspell]

So again... Stormspell... I hope I straightened out things with you here.

 

Yes, thank you.

I accept your apology and in turn offer mine for getting too hot-headed and edgy.

No hard feelings

[LV KIX]

You're way out of line LV KIX...Dave started this thread because Sam was bootlegging Sweet Teaze...not because he lost out on some band signing...& it looks like he was right on the money considering how quiet it's been over in the Retrospect camp (until you started posting).  That plus the fact that one of the band members has posted on this issue as well?  And the best you've got is to come back with "well, at least he has more bands signed to his lable"?...man, that's weak...plus, as T-Bone stated, totally off-topic.

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That's your opinion... and you are entitled to it... and I can even respect it. But I am also entitled to mine... and I believe the original post was made out of frustration. So I do not feel I am out of line in having my opinion.

 

Another thing... I have not once defended Retrospect in this thread. just explained why I believe David made the original post. I could care less which company has more releases.

[Skid]

It must be tough for Suncity to keep losing all the bands they want because Retrospect gives them a better deal. This original post was yet another attack because Retrospect just signed another band you wish you had. As a matter of fact, maybe you even thought you had this band. Too bad for your sake that Retrospect pays better.

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Just out of curiousity, can you list for us what bands have received Retrospect's 'better deal' and which have received the 'bootleg for nothing deal'.

[LV KIX]

It must be tough for Suncity to keep losing all the bands they want because Retrospect gives them a better deal. This original post was yet another attack because Retrospect just signed another band you wish you had. As a matter of fact, maybe you even thought you had this band. Too bad for your sake that Retrospect pays better.

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Just out of curiousity, can you list for us what bands have received Retrospect's 'better deal' and which have received the 'bootleg for nothing deal'.

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I could... but this will be public knowledge before too long. I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone here...so i'd rather the announcements be made by the actual record company. I don't feel at this time that it is my place to list the bands who got a better deal. The deals are between the artists and the labels.

[JustJason]

Ok time to bestow the gift that is Jay's opinion on all of you. I have no ties or favorites here. Retrospect or Suncity. I hope they both do well. Hopefully, they also both do the right thing by their artists.

 

Here a re a few thoughts thought.

 

1) Whether David posted out of frustration or not, it is very obvious he saw the chance to knock Sam down the Indie label ladder a few rungs. Right or wrong, it very obviously was not purely informational. It wasn't for the sake of the music solely. There was an adjenda. The less dollars that go Sam's way, the more potentially that can go David's way. I won't knock him for posting as it is a business either way. It came off as dirty business though.

 

2) Sam has proven to do the right thing by some bands and apparently now there is proof he didn't do right by at least one band. People were starting to appreciate Retrospect despite all the "friends" Sam made here. This allegation is going to damage that reputation that was beginning to be a good one. I know Sam must be absolutely tired of the debate. I know I am. Sam, if there isn't anything for people to pick at, they can't pick. They can't fire a gun without amunition.

 

3)Dave. You came off as a prick in your first post in this thread. Not that it would matter much to you, but I was about to write you off as a total ass. You followed that post up with a classy post which clearly explained your thought process. Totally changed my mind. Again, I am not someone you need or care to impress. Just a thought on my part. Very classy follow up.

 

4)Stormspell. I don't know if it's a passion for the music or just needing to be involved, but you seem to constantly interject yourself into these sort of topics. I am not saying you don't have that right, but you sometimes come off as the finger pointing police. Like I said above, I am nobody to try to impress. My opinion is simply that. An opinion. I am sure I come off as the one who can't take anything seriously. All this being said, I dig that you speak so many languages.

 

Here's hoping no one was offended by my comments. This board is here for all topics. Funny, stupid, serious and anything else. I just can't believe that everyone else isn't tired of this whole issue.

[Mullethead]

Grammar, not grammer. 

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[chocularok]

1) Whether David posted out of frustration or not, it is very obvious he saw the chance to knock Sam down the Indie label ladder a few rungs. Right or wrong, it very obviously was not purely informational. It wasn't for the sake of the music solely. There was an adjenda. The less dollars that go Sam's way, the more potentially that can go David's way. I won't knock him for posting as it is a business either way. It came off as dirty business though.

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Just for arguments sake, let's say that Dave did post this with malicious intent...hell, the opportunity was handed to him on a silver platter. He didn't tell Sam to bootleg the cd...Sam did that all by himself.

 

I would imagine that if Dave had chosen to keep his mouth shut about the whole thing, when it did come out from another source that Sweet Teaze was being bootlegged some people would wonder why the hell Dave hadn't posted the info to begin with since the band is signed to his lable. "Surely Dave knew what was going on" & so forth. Kinda caught between a rock and a hard place.

 

Either way, I'm sure Dave didn't lose any sleep over the revelation.

[Mullethead]

PS: I don't care what what Dan or most of you here think of me personally... I don't give a rats ass. Could it possibly be you StormlessSpell who supplied me with any of these...?

 

 

 

What what....nice job...

[Geoff]

 

Continue.

[chocularok]

 

Continue.

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[stormspell]

4)Stormspell. I don't know if it's a passion for the music or just needing to be involved, but you seem to constantly interject yourself into these sort of topics.

 

Sometimes I wonder why I'm doing it myself. It's certainly not that I want to be involved in such gruesome affair, that's for sure. Maybe its combination of stubborness, heat of the moment, and some stupidity I cannot ovecome... I know it would be better to stop and count to 10 before posting, but somehow I always fail to do that in this part of the forum... maybe I need to be baneed for my own good...

[JustJason]

1) Whether David posted out of frustration or not, it is very obvious he saw the chance to knock Sam down the Indie label ladder a few rungs. Right or wrong, it very obviously was not purely informational. It wasn't for the sake of the music solely. There was an adjenda. The less dollars that go Sam's way, the more potentially that can go David's way. I won't knock him for posting as it is a business either way. It came off as dirty business though.

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Just for arguments sake, let's say that Dave did post this with malicious intent...hell, the opportunity was handed to him on a silver platter. He didn't tell Sam to bootleg the cd...Sam did that all by himself.

 

I would imagine that if Dave had chosen to keep his mouth shut about the whole thing, when it did come out from another source that Sweet Teaze was being bootlegged some people would wonder why the hell Dave hadn't posted the info to begin with since the band is signed to his lable. "Surely Dave knew what was going on" & so forth. Kinda caught between a rock and a hard place.

 

Either way, I'm sure Dave didn't lose any sleep over the revelation.

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Malicious was not a word I used. I didn't even blame him for doing it. I simply said it was not without adjenda. I also stated that it was a clear business move.

[JustJason]

4)Stormspell. I don't know if it's a passion for the music or just needing to be involved, but you seem to constantly interject yourself into these sort of topics.

 

Sometimes I wonder why I'm doing it myself. It's certainly not that I want to be involved in such gruesome affair, that's for sure. Maybe its combination of stubborness, heat of the moment, and some stupidity I cannot ovecome... I know it would be better to stop and count to 10 before posting, but somehow I always fail to do that in this part of the forum... maybe I need to be baneed for my own good...

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I did not mean to offend you in any way. I jumped Jacob's shit for the Horribly Wrong thead, so I am not above going off half cocked myself.

[chocularok]

1) Whether David posted out of frustration or not, it is very obvious he saw the chance to knock Sam down the Indie label ladder a few rungs. Right or wrong, it very obviously was not purely informational. It wasn't for the sake of the music solely. There was an adjenda. The less dollars that go Sam's way, the more potentially that can go David's way. I won't knock him for posting as it is a business either way. It came off as dirty business though.

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Just for arguments sake, let's say that Dave did post this with malicious intent...hell, the opportunity was handed to him on a silver platter. He didn't tell Sam to bootleg the cd...Sam did that all by himself.

 

I would imagine that if Dave had chosen to keep his mouth shut about the whole thing, when it did come out from another source that Sweet Teaze was being bootlegged some people would wonder why the hell Dave hadn't posted the info to begin with since the band is signed to his lable. "Surely Dave knew what was going on" & so forth. Kinda caught between a rock and a hard place.

 

Either way, I'm sure Dave didn't lose any sleep over the revelation.

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Malicious was not a word I used. I didn't even blame him for doing it. I simply said it was not without adjenda. I also stated that it was a clear business move.

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You are correct, sir...that was my word, not yours. Didn't mean to imply that you used it.

 

Bottom line...I certainly don't fault Dave for sharing the info.

[JustJason]

 

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No claws here. I was declawed by a bitch of an ex years ago.

[heavyharmonies]

 

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Love. That. Pic!

 

Then again I've always loved a little pussy...

 

 

-Dan

[chocularok]

 

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Love. That. Pic!

 

Then again I've always loved a little pussy...

 

 

-Dan

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Ouch!

[JustJason]

 

Continue.

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Love. That. Pic!

 

Then again I've always loved a little pussy...

 

 

-Dan

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Now that's something almost all of us can agree on. Except for maybe the female boards members. Then again, wouldn't it be cool if they did agree on it?