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Possible band additions to HH - Your thoughts and opinions needed!

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Late in 2015, while surfing the main site, I noticed that there are quite a few "classic" bands/artists not included here at HH. I approached Dan with a listing of artists who I thought should at the very least be considered for inclusion on HH. What we need now is your feedback. Do you feel strongly that any of the following should be included on HH? And on the opposite side of the fence, are there any that you feel absolutely should NOT be included? Have other suggestions? Throw 'em out there!

 

Anywho, enough talkie talkie.... here are the groups/artists:

 

Pink Floyd
Cream
Jimi Hendrix
Amboy Dukes
Blind Faith
Mountain
Trapeze
The Who
Barclay James Harvest
Peter Frampton
Joe Walsh
The Edgar Winter Group
Heavy Metal Kids
Black Sheep (Lou Gramm's first band)
Mama's Pride
Boxer (UK band)
Phoenix
Kenny Loggins
I personally feel that Jimi Hendrix, Peter Frampton and Pink Floyd should be included for sure, and we should maybe do something with Kenny Loggins similar to what you see done with Cher on the main site, where we would include only his 80s output that fits on HH...
Thoughts? Suggestions? Fire away.
Mike

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Trapeze for Glenn Hughes legacy sake, same with Black Sheep. Edgar Winter Group, because some of it is straight up early Hard Rock.

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I don't know. Is this "classic rock" instead of "heavy harmonies"?

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I cant stand most of those bands and the only one i can comment on is Kenny Loggins as i own a few of his 80s albums.. which are definately AOR... but his other stuff... definately not. If Cher can be on here, so can a few Loggins albums.

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Floyd Division Bell and Momentory lapse of reason maybe . Not the rest.

 

But if you're going there why not Genesis or Kate Bush.

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Floyd Division Bell and Momentory lapse of reason maybe . Not the rest.

 

But if you're going there why not Genesis or Kate Bush.

I love Genesis... but wouldnt have them on here.. that would just open up this to be progharmonies.com and a load of wacky bands playing flutes for 17mins

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The term classic rock...which to my knowledge covers all the old bands from Skynyrd to Foreigner and beyond nowadays, so we shouldn't get too bothered about another name for a lot of bands that are covered here already on the main pages.

I was listening to Peter Frampton and Kenny Loggins the other day and they should definitely be on here, especially their 80's stuff, as some off it is about as AOR as you can get , Frampton's 'Premonition', 'When All The Pieces Fit', 'S/T' and Loggins 'Vox Humana', 'High Adventures',' Back To Avalon' as examples. Most of the others mentioned above including Free all have material well worthy of inclusion.

Pink Floyd ,Genesis and Prog in general is a tricky one, as both and the genre in general have stuff that is probably HH worthy, especially the latter day material, 'The Division Bell',' A Momentary Lapse In Reason', 'Duke', 'Abacab', 'Invisible Touch' etc. and as I have mentioned before, I think the more accessible, melodic prog stuff should be on here Marillion, Pendragon, Arena, Spocks Beard (which I have gradually been adding) etc .Seeing as we are including the more melodic prog stuff on the site, then Genesis and Pink Floyd should be on here for sure, as they pretty much influenced most of the other bands that have been included here already. I also agree with Phaffas that some other prog stuff is just a bit too 'Proggy' and should maybe left for the sites that specialise in prog rock ie Progarchives,. I think the moderators who add the titles can decide what is and what isn't suitable..(I am pretty ok in this area if any one wants an opinion about inclusion)

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Marillon another good call. Hogarth period in particular . Albums like Seasons end are pure aor.

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Marillon another good call. Hogarth period in particular . Albums like Seasons end are pure aor.

 

Already done. I spent an age adding everything I have. Case in point, if early Marillion is on HH then Genesis should be here too.

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I don't know quite a few of them but I could make a guess that I could throw a blanket over the entire list and say a big 'no' as far as I'm concerned.

 

Honestly, it's not my site and it truly doesn't make the slightest difference to me who is on here or not - it just doesn't matter at all. All I know is that when I come to this site I come here expecting to see that "typical" kind of "80's type" band with long hair and stuff. And none of these bands would I ever even consider adding to my collection or wishing to hear in anymore detail than I already have.

 

To me the site basically caters to that 80's style (and era) rock and I'm happy with that. I honestly don't even know, but aside from bands like KISS and Aerosmith and Van Halen and Journey, is there even much 70's stuff (and before) on the site at all?

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Hard Rock and AOR covers so many bases, so as a 'Hard Rock and 'AOR' reference site, I would expect to see ALL Bands/ Artists covered from whatever era that would be..whether it be 70's to present day, then there is something for everyone.

 

There is loads of pre 80's artists/albums already on HH if you look around Geoff

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Well we only really need to look at the front site to know -

Chronologically, the site encompasses primarily the years 1978 to present, with the emphasis on the music of the 1980s and early 1990s, hence material from the 1960s and the early 1970s most likely will not be included (unless they are early works from bands who released material during the 1978- period).

• Structurally, most of the material here follows the tried-and-true "singalong" structure of verse-chorus-verse-chorus-chorus (with minor deviations). What prog is included is that which only deviates only slightly from this; the more esoteric "out there" material most likely will not be included.

 

On those grounds I would say most of early Genesis should not be included as it is way too far 'out there'

 

When considering early Marillion lots of their songs had a fairly standard verse chorus type structure...you know songs like Market Sq Heroes, He Knows You Know, Jigsaw, Punch & Judy, Kayleigh, Lavender.....even large parts of Misplaced Childhood the sections comeback to a central like 'chorus'.

 

Not sure you could say the same of Pink Floyd's The Wall.....although I would prefer to see the likes of Pink Floyd over Genesis.

 

At the end of the day, like Geoff, I'm not really fussed about what gets included, but the front site seems to define it in any case.

 

Cheers

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Well we only really need to look at the front site to know -

 

Chronologically, the site encompasses primarily the years 1978 to present, with the emphasis on the music of the 1980s and early 1990s, hence material from the 1960s and the early 1970s most likely will not be included (unless they are early works from bands who released material during the 1978- period).

• Structurally, most of the material here follows the tried-and-true "singalong" structure of verse-chorus-verse-chorus-chorus (with minor deviations). What prog is included is that which only deviates only slightly from this; the more esoteric "out there" material most likely will not be included.

 

On those grounds I would say most of early Genesis should not be included as it is way too far 'out there'

 

When considering early Marillion lots of their songs had a fairly standard verse chorus type structure...you know songs like Market Sq Heroes, He Knows You Know, Jigsaw, Punch & Judy, Kayleigh, Lavender.....even large parts of Misplaced Childhood the sections comeback to a central like 'chorus'.

 

Not sure you could say the same of Pink Floyd's The Wall.....although I would prefer to see the likes of Pink Floyd over Genesis.

 

At the end of the day, like Geoff, I'm not really fussed about what gets included, but the front site seems to define it in any case.

 

Cheers

 

Primarly1978 onwards I agree, but I don't think that is etched in stone, as Hard Rock and AOR were around well before 1978, as you well know. There are loads of albums by artists from the beginning and the mid 70's ... Uriah Heep, Led Zeppelin, REO Speedwagon, Deep Purple, Sabbath, Queen, AC/DC,Kiss, Skynyrd, Rainbow, Rush, even the Boston debut is 1976 and who's gonna argue that they shouldn't be on here because it's pre '78. I would argue that if Led Zeppelin are on here, so to should bands like Free and a fair few from Mike's list above, as well as all the Hair, Glam and 80's/90's bands as well.

 

I Would agree with you re. Genesis and the early Gabriel era, but they are much more song orientated once Phil Collins got involved, so for 'A Trick Of The Tail' onwards up to 'Calling All Stations' I would say that they, like Marillion and all the other melodic Neo Prog bands, could be included.

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As far as I'm concerned, the more the merrier....a lot of that older music probably should be on here besides adding some classic releases to the HH data base is not gonna bring the walls down on our heads....

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Luckily opinions vary, and I'm sure we've all come across bands on the site where we thought "What on earth are these guys doing here?"

At the end of the day, we can only agree to disagree about the bands in the initial post, let me throw in a couple more: Bruce Springsteen and Mannfred Man's Earth Band

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Luckily opinions vary, and I'm sure we've all come across bands on the site where we thought "What on earth are these guys doing here?"

At the end of the day, we can only agree to disagree about the bands in the initial post, let me throw in a couple more: Bruce Springsteen and Mannfred Man's Earth Band

 

 

Aaahh, Manfred Mann's Earth Band!

Great stuff. My favourite band from the 70's and they're not HH material.

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I think the site should expand in the direction of including cassette only releases. There are tons of bands that fit this site perfectly (better than every band in the list being discussed) and they miss out because they never released a CD.

 

As for the list in question, I don't think any of them really in with the content of HH. Kenny Loggins maybe, snd Black Sheep perhaps but def not Pink Floyd, Cream or The Who - I get they might have influenced a lot of bands but they themselves are classic rock. Where would you draw the line? I think at the moment HH is kind of a specialty / niche site with a focus on AOR and hard rock. Adding these classic rock bands will give the site more of a general rock feel to new visitors.

 

I dunno that's just my thoughts but like others I wouldn't lose any sleep over who is and isn't included.

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For what its worth I'm drawn back to what originally brought me to the site years ago.

The big bands like Scorpions, GNR but more so the obscure bands

I think by adding bands like this to the site it is detouring from its originality.

This site stands out beyond others because for the most part it has stuck to this.

If your going to add a band to the site then it should at least be 80% or more the style this site was formed around.

I am all for adding Cassette/LP Only releases. I ran across a band the other day on You Tube called Black Fate - Commander of FATE(1986). I think I found it by a band mentioned here.

IMO a very good band. I did see there is a cd release. Rare though 450.00.

So I think there is will always be something new to add but I don't know we need to be searching through bands like the Who, Mountain & Kenny Loggins to find them.

Again just a opinion

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I'm softening on the whole "only CDs!" policy. The only thing I would request is that when non-CD releases are added, that there be a note below the members section to the effect that "This album was only released on cassette/vinyl/8-track."

 

On the genres, I'm going to sit back and see what the consensus is, although I don't honestly expect there to be one. One person's definite inclusion is another's opening the gates to dilution hell...

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The allowing more none CD thing is , IMO , a great thing. There must be a fair amount out there that never got a CD release and this should allow the site to be a more comprehensive history of the music.

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I'm not too concerned on adding classic rock type bands......the problem is with people's definition of what AOR and 'classic rock' is. And this has been going on for some time. AOR to Europeans is different that that of people in the US...and that is different than others. I see it all the time. So, that in and of itself presents issues. The simple fact is that a lot of people think that AOR is anything with a guitar, drums and bass with the song structure mentioned on the front of the site. Hell...people of different ages have different definitions. And do they need to be 'heavy'??!! Bands that were mentioned early on in the thread like Mountain...should definitely be included....'heavy harmonies'...by definition. When you start getting into Pink Floyd and Genesis and Kenny Loggins.....none of those would be considered 'heavy'......in my opinion. It's such a broad base of music when you start getting into that kind of thing.

 

Now...a topic that really floats my boat...and should be considered, is adding cassette or vinyl releases. I literally own hundreds upon hundreds of cassette and vinyl only releases that should be included on a website called 'heavy harmonies'. It ALWAYS amazes me at the silliness that people think the only good music that came out was on CD.....it's absolutely laughable. I have so many bands' cassette and vinyl releases that DESTROY the 'hyper rare' CD releases it isn't even funny. So, I would definitely be 'all in' at adding those types of releases.

 

In the end, it's a decision Dan will have to make taking into consideration what he wants his database to reflect....and the parameters that he sees fit. I'll agree to whatever he choses!

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Now...a topic that really floats my boat...and should be considered, is adding cassette or vinyl releases. I literally own hundreds upon hundreds of cassette and vinyl only releases that should be included on a website called 'heavy harmonies'. It ALWAYS amazes me at the silliness that people think the only good music that came out was on CD.....it's absolutely laughable. I have so many bands' cassette and vinyl releases that DESTROY the 'hyper rare' CD releases it isn't even funny. So, I would definitely be 'all in' at adding those types of releases.

 

Do we allow digital only releases also? I assume some bands are doing that now..

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Now...a topic that really floats my boat...and should be considered, is adding cassette or vinyl releases. I literally own hundreds upon hundreds of cassette and vinyl only releases that should be included on a website called 'heavy harmonies'. It ALWAYS amazes me at the silliness that people think the only good music that came out was on CD.....it's absolutely laughable. I have so many bands' cassette and vinyl releases that DESTROY the 'hyper rare' CD releases it isn't even funny. So, I would definitely be 'all in' at adding those types of releases.

 

Do we allow digital only releases also? I assume some bands are doing that now..

 

 

LOL...hell....I wouldn't mind starting with cassettes and vinyl....to get digital only releases would be difficult to some degree...maybe??

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